"What should I be saved from?"

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Hello,
I wanted to know what you would answer to sommeone denying the fact that he/she needs a Saviour and says something like this: “What should I be saved from? I am fine” “A Saviour? What did I do” and the like

Thank you

By the way, I would ask if the person is happy and start from there. A Savious may save him/her from sadness. This is one option or a starting point.
 
MarcoPG said:
Hello,
I wanted to know what you would answer to sommeone denying the fact that he/she needs a Saviour and says something like this: “What should I be saved from? I am fine” “A Saviour? What did I do” and the like

Thank you

By the way, I would ask if the person is happy and start from there. A Savious may save him/her from sadness. This is one option or a starting point.
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Apparently everything at the end depends on us meaning that we accept or reject God. Hence each person is her/his savior! I don’t know what was Jesus mission?
 
Bahman, we are all DOOMED to die, is that not true?
Therefore, we need to know what happens to us after
DEATH, is it the end? We all hold the hope of eternity
in our hearts(Ecc. 3:11) We all WANT to live forever!
I think the older you get, the longer you want to live!
 
Nobody is meaner to a person than their own “self.” We all need to be rescued from our deadly self.
 
I am reminded of the story of a young man who told St Padre Pio that he didn’t believe in Hell. St Pio told him not to worry, he will when he gets there. :eek:
 
Bahman said:
Apparently everything at the end depends on us meaning that we accept or reject God. Hence each person is her/his savior! I don’t know what was Jesus mission?
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To help us accept him. 👍
 
The big difference between us and the one asking would be that the other doesn’t think he/she sinned and still sins, or that she has original sin deeply rooted in him/her. This latter would be one of the reasons he/she doesn’t get it. But anyway, if anyone thinks there is nothing to be saved from, how would you discuss this?
 
Robert_Sock said:
Nobody is meaner to a person than their own “self.” We all need to be rescued from our deadly self.
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👍 We have no greater enemy because we alone decide what to believe and how to live but we have to love ourselves as well as others. Charity begins at home!
 
GLam8833 said:
Bahman, we are all DOOMED to die, is that not true?
Therefore, we need to know what happens to us after
DEATH, is it the end?
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It sounds like the conversation on being saved might need to wait until after there is some level of agreement of what happens after death. Once that happens the “how do I ensure the better outcome?” question might follow. Until there is some level of agreement with the person with which you are having the discussion your statements might just be taken to fail on their premises.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
It sounds like the conversation on being saved might need to wait until after there is some level of agreement of what happens after death. Once that happens the “how do I ensure the better outcome?” question might follow. Until there is some level of agreement with the person with which you are having the discussion your statements might just be taken to fail on their premises.
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“We have to love ourselves as well as others” is true regardless of what happens after death and so is “We all need to be rescued from our deadly self.”
 
tonyrey said:
“We have to love ourselves as well as others” is true regardless of what happens after death and so is “We all need to be rescued from our deadly self.”
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If you think that’s enough to convince them go with it.
 
MarcoPG said:
Hello,
I wanted to know what you would answer to sommeone denying the fact that he/she needs a Saviour and says something like this: “What should I be saved from? I am fine” “A Saviour? What did I do” and the like

Thank you

By the way, I would ask if the person is happy and start from there. A Savious may save him/her from sadness. This is one option or a starting point.
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You are correct on starting from “happiness” - that is man’s final end and what all seek (happiness in being good ourselves and knowing ourselves united to the True Good, God), some settling on temporal satisfactions, and some even giving up on a notion of ultimate happiness being possible since they have no knowledge of the resurrection nor the God who will raise us.

When there is an end, the will is fixed on it, inclines toward it, moves the person to it.
The Savior frees us from what holds us bound to not reaching it (sin) and empowers us to suitably reach it (sanctifying grace with the infusion of Virtue).
 
GLam8833 said:
Bahman, we are all DOOMED to die, is that not true?
Therefore, we need to know what happens to us after
DEATH, is it the end? We all hold the hope of eternity
in our hearts(Ecc. 3:11) We all WANT to live forever!
I think the older you get, the longer you want to live!
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The OT Patriachs just accepted death was the end from what I can see.
Its a bit sad if Eccl 3:11 is the only pertienent ref in the whole OT for your hypothesis.
 
MarcoPG said:
Hello,
I wanted to know what you would answer to sommeone denying the fact that he/she needs a Saviour and says something like this: “What should I be saved from? I am fine” “A Saviour? What did I do” and the like

Thank you

By the way, I would ask if the person is happy and start from there. A Savious may save him/her from sadness. This is one option or a starting point.
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We don’t seem to recognize our need for God right away, born into a virtual denial of our condition it would seem. But remember that Jesus came to save the lost. Our faith teaches that, in the beginning of human history, man “walked” with God; he knew Him in some manner much more immediate than we do today. This means that man, a rational, sentient being possessing self-awareness, fortunately knew his* source*; he was intimately connected to the reason and purpose for his very being.

Today we’re born into a different state; we don’t know where we came from, if anywhere, what we’re here for, if anything, and where we’re going, if anywhere. Anything beyond that is pure speculation. Jesus came to rectify this state, to give man the “knowledge of God” in order that we may be reconciled, in order that we may know the truth, to come back in line with truth and justice and harmony, all of which were said to have been comprised/ scorned/dismissed by man at the Fall. The whole reason that we’re here now is to find out, for ourselves, the reason *why *anything other than truth, justice, and harmony are ugly and worthless and wrong, why sin/evil is to be hated, why we should run like Prodigals back to the Father, who’s always been there waiting. Meanwhile it takes time to come to see that we’re living in a pigsty, relatively speaking. Until we do so, we’re still living in and confirming that denial that Adam first instituted for us all, that “experiment” of denying God if truth be known. We live in a world from which the Master’s effectively gone away, where human freedom reigns, and yet a world where we can also receive the knowledge and grace to find Him, the only One worthy of reigning, as we come to acknowledge our need.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Nobody is meaner to a person than their own “self.” We all need to be rescued from our deadly self.
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Here’s an interesting statement from the Catechism concerning a consequence of the Fall.
**1707 “Man, enticed by the Evil One, abused his freedom at the very beginning of history.” He succumbed to temptation and did what was evil. He still desires the good, but his nature bears the wound of original sin. He is now inclined to evil and subject to error:

“Man is divided in himself. As a result, the whole life of men, both individual and social, shows itself to be a struggle, and a dramatic one, between good and evil, between light and darkness.”**
 
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