What to Expect When No One Is Expecting

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Another quote from the article, under the heading “Where to Go From Here:”

“The government cannot get people to have children they do not want. However, it can help people have the children they do want.”
 
The solution proposed (have more children) is a tough one for one reason. You are suggesting that couples abandon their personal desires/preferences that benefit them for a choice that benefits society.

I very much doubt most of us make major life altering choices based on society’s needs.
Exactly.

People have children because they want them, they are physically and mentally able to have them and because they can support them.

There needs to be a balance between all of the above.

I don’t think couples have children because society needs them to. Unless there is incentive. Even then…that isn’t enough. I’m sure most of us are appreciative of the tax breaks and it may be a nice “bonus” to having children…but it certainly isn’t motivation to have more.
 
Another quote from the article, under the heading “Where to Go From Here:”

“The government cannot get people to have children they do not want. However, it can help people have the children they do want.”
That’s a great quote.

Governments often do things that make it difficult for families, often done while trying to help. Car seat laws are one example. No one wants children to die in car accidents! But the car seat laws don’t just prevent children from dying–they prevent them from being conceived in the first place. The current car seat laws have now made it virtually impossible to find a car that fits more than three children. Parents who might be willing to consider another child now find their cars are filled to capacity.

Hotel room regulations are another example. In some counties and states regulations mean that families cannot fit in a room, and even “family suites” may not fit large-ish families. In our travels, we found the same motel chain with exact same suite can fit us in one county but couldn’t in another. Of course, no one wants people to die in hotel fires! But these types of regulations make it difficult or impossible to accommodate families.

Education laws are another example. I’m not advocating for leaving children uneducated, but our educational system makes it more and more difficult for parent to have more than one or two children. We homeschool, but if we were to send our children to school, we’d have to deal with four different schools, with varying start times, varying school vacations, large amounts of homework at young ages that require parental assistance, etc. While I value education, I find it much easier to homeschool rather than trying to co-ordinate all this with dozens of educators.

When laws try to “fix” one problem, they often create more problems. As laws and society holds parents to different and higher parenting standards, people opt have fewer children. I don’t blame them. Our society makes it difficult for parents with more than three children to attend school, vacation in hotels and to drive a mid-sized car.
 
That’s a great quote.

Governments often do things that make it difficult for families, often done while trying to help. Car seat laws are one example. No one wants children to die in car accidents! But the car seat laws don’t just prevent children from dying–they prevent them from being conceived in the first place. The current car seat laws have now made it virtually impossible to find a car that fits more than three children. Parents who might be willing to consider another child now find their cars are filled to capacity.

Hotel room regulations are another example. In some counties and states regulations mean that families cannot fit in a room, and even “family suites” may not fit large-ish families. In our travels, we found the same motel chain with exact same suite can fit us in one county but couldn’t in another. Of course, no one wants people to die in hotel fires! But these types of regulations make it difficult or impossible to accommodate families.

Education laws are another example. I’m not advocating for leaving children uneducated, but our educational system makes it more and more difficult for parent to have more than one or two children. We homeschool, but if we were to send our children to school, we’d have to deal with four different schools, with varying start times, varying school vacations, large amounts of homework at young ages that require parental assistance, etc. While I value education, I find it much easier to homeschool rather than trying to co-ordinate all this with dozens of educators.

When laws try to “fix” one problem, they often create more problems. As laws and society holds parents to different and higher parenting standards, people opt have fewer children. I don’t blame them. Our society makes it difficult for parents with more than three children to attend school, vacation in hotels and to drive a mid-sized car.
You make some good points. Your comments about car seats reminded me of a time when most cars were family sedans with a bench seat in front and back. I can recall taking family vacations with my parents and siblings in a family sedan with three people in the front and four in the back. Some years ago I tried to rent a big car with a bench seat in front but no such thing existed.

With regard to schooling I wish that more parishes followed the lead of those in my diocese. For parents who are tithing a percentage of income, there is no tuition for the children, no matter how many children a family may have in the school. That would not work for public schools, though.

I also think that tax exemptions for dependents need to be increased dramatically. The original article offers some other thoughts.
 
That’s a great quote.

Governments often do things that make it difficult for families, often done while trying to help. Car seat laws are one example. No one wants children to die in car accidents! But the car seat laws don’t just prevent children from dying–they prevent them from being conceived in the first place. The current car seat laws have now made it virtually impossible to find a car that fits more than three children. Parents who might be willing to consider another child now find their cars are filled to capacity.

Hotel room regulations are another example. In some counties and states regulations mean that families cannot fit in a room, and even “family suites” may not fit large-ish families. In our travels, we found the same motel chain with exact same suite can fit us in one county but couldn’t in another. Of course, no one wants people to die in hotel fires! But these types of regulations make it difficult or impossible to accommodate families.

Education laws are another example. I’m not advocating for leaving children uneducated, but our educational system makes it more and more difficult for parent to have more than one or two children. We homeschool, but if we were to send our children to school, we’d have to deal with four different schools, with varying start times, varying school vacations, large amounts of homework at young ages that require parental assistance, etc. While I value education, I find it much easier to homeschool rather than trying to co-ordinate all this with dozens of educators.

When laws try to “fix” one problem, they often create more problems. As laws and society holds parents to different and higher parenting standards, people opt have fewer children. I don’t blame them. Our society makes it difficult for parents with more than three children to attend school, vacation in hotels and to drive a mid-sized car.
Children are expensive, not just in monetary terms but time plus a real risk to the mother’s life (if not for modern medicine). But I still think a major factor is that in previous times children just “happened”. I wonder if given the choice if people from previous times (other than farmers and such) would opt for fewer children?
 
Children are expensive, not just in monetary terms but time plus a real risk to the mother’s life (if not for modern medicine). But I still think a major factor is that in previous times children just “happened”. I wonder if given the choice if people from previous times (other than farmers and such) would opt for fewer children?
When I lived in a third world country, it was pretty much a given that couples should have a large amount of children because it was a given that not all will survive to adulthood.
 
You make some good points. Your comments about car seats reminded me of a time when most cars were family sedans with a bench seat in front and back. I can recall taking family vacations with my parents and siblings in a family sedan with three people in the front and four in the back. Some years ago I tried to rent a big car with a bench seat in front but no such thing existed.

With regard to schooling I wish that more parishes followed the lead of those in my diocese. For parents who are tithing a percentage of income, there is no tuition for the children, no matter how many children a family may have in the school. That would not work for public schools, though.

I also think that tax exemptions for dependents need to be increased dramatically. The original article offers some other thoughts.
I don’t know how some big families do it.

One friend of mine has 7 children. Six are at home but three of them are in car seats and the only way they can get the entire family somewhere is to take two cars. If one car breaks down…they are totally sunk.
It’s happened where we’ve let them borrow our sedan to get the husband to work.

Plus, when he is at work she is stuck at home because she cannot transport all six of her kids in the van…not enough room.

We are stuck at 3 kids for a huge number of reasons. One is the fact that we are sending the girls to our parish school.

Tuition isn’t too outrageous…given the area we live…but there are only small scholarships to help families out. Being active members of the parish only promises a spot in the school. You are largely on your own when it comes to tuition.

3 kids equals 10 grand in private school costs at grade school level. Double that for high school.

Public school is not an option and homeschool is definitely not an option for us.

We had to scramble to get a minivan when we found out we were pregnant with baby number 3.
I’ve got three kids in car seats…who will be in car seats for quite awhile thanks to the crazy high metabolism they were blessed with in both hubby and my families.
My 2.5 year old is so small she still qualifies for a rear facing car seat…but that really isn’t feasible in our vehicle.
My 4 year old is no where near booster seat size…she weighs next to nothing for her age group.
She’ll probably be in her convertible for another year.
 
The solution proposed (have more children) is a tough one for one reason. You are suggesting that couples abandon their personal desires/preferences that benefit them for a choice that benefits society.

I very much doubt most of us make major life altering choices based on society’s needs.
I have been thinking about this post since yesterday.

You might be right that many do not make major decisions based on society’s needs. However, many do.

The world is perishing for want of the truth. The world needs good Catholic people to witness to the truth with their very lives. Some parents feel called to make whatever sacrifices necessary to make the world a better place by having lots of Catholic babies and raising them up carefully in the Faith, hoping and praying that perhaps at least one or more of their children will discern a vocation to the priesthood or the religious life, and that the other of their children will discern sacramental Catholic matrimony or chaste celibacy for the sake of the Kingdom.

Some people bring about God’s Kingdom through preaching, others through medicine or other worthy professions, using their God-given talents for His glory. And some of us little ones do our parts by bringing souls to God through childbirth and baptism, and just quietly working to make the world a better place through procreation and education.

Society’s needs, but specifically the needs of the souls of our neighbors, our friends, our fellow countrymen, and even strangers generations from now, DO guide the procreation choices of many Catholic couples around the world. It is part of the Christian vocation to bring souls to Christ, even if the specific form it takes may differ between individuals.

I hope I have expressed that in a way that makes sense. God bless.
 
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