What would science have to do to disprove Catholicism?

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I was reading this this morning:

bbc.com/news/health-31069173

I have heard of this before. The babies will technically be from two parents, but have extra material from another person. At least, that is how it appears to me. There are three ways, in my opinion, that science wants to and can (IF they succeed) disprove Christian doctrine;
  1. If they make someone who doesn’t clearly have less than 3 parents (cloning I think is explainable)
  2. If they make someone who isn’t neither fully male nor fully female
  3. If they engineer people to procreate with lower (not higher) species to the point that a fertile rational being results (one human parent, one animal)
These are the only ones I can think of. Can anyone out there think of another one? Does anyone have information on which scientists or groups are anti-Christian and want to do something scientific that destroys the faith? Can we ever trust them on scientific accomplishments?
 
Sorry, I’m not seeing the connection between babies with DNA from multiple people and “disproving” Catholicism, nor, for that matter, the connection between intersex people (who already exist “naturally”) and “disproving” Catholicism.

If you could prove that Jesus wasn’t raised from the dead, now, THAT would be disproving Catholicism.
 
Sensationalism at its grimiest. Not surprising from this news channel.

People having been trying to play at being God throughout history.

Science came from God, not the other way around. Good science, that is. There is dark stuff that is inspired from the wrong direction. But this tripe doesn’t disprove God, it just disproves the integrity on the part of some twisted ‘scientists’.
 
I fail to see any connection between reproductive technology (including genetic engineering) and disproof of Catholicism. Could you explain the possible connection as you see it?
 
I don’t think any of those things would actually disprove Catholicism or Christianity in general.

For me, for science to present a serious challenge they would have to create life from non-living material.
 
thinkandmull said:
I was reading this this morning:

bbc.com/news/health-31069173

I have heard of this before. The babies will technically be from two parents, but have extra material from another person. At least, that is how it appears to me. There are three ways, in my opinion, that science wants to and can (IF they succeed) disprove Christian doctrine;
  1. If they make someone who doesn’t clearly have less than 3 parents (cloning I think is explainable)
  2. If they make someone who isn’t neither fully male nor fully female
  3. If they engineer people to procreate with lower (not higher) species to the point that a fertile rational being results (one human parent, one animal)
These are the only ones I can think of. Can anyone out there think of another one? Does anyone have information on which scientists or groups are anti-Christian and want to do something scientific that destroys the faith? Can we ever trust them on scientific accomplishments?
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It’s unclear what Christian doctrine this or any of your listed ones DISPROVE. These go against Christian/Catholic doctrine are not moral or ethical, but none disprove it, just run counter to it. Its kinda like saying if someone commits adultery successuflly, then Christian doctrine is disproven. I don’t think so.

Blessings,
Stephie
 
  1. Science can not disprove Christianity or God partly because a great portion of Christianity deals with matters beyond what can be experimentally verified.
  2. The 3 parent stuff is really a 2 parent baby with a few copy and pasted from a 3rd parent to replace “defective” pieces of dna.
  3. I’m not sure creating new types of life from existing life disproves any religion. I think this old joke explains it.
One day a scientist told God he too could create life. He proudly starts his process by gathering sand. To which God said “Hey, go make your own dirt!”.
 
It would be necessary to disprove the Resurrection of Christ; good luck!

ICXC NIKA
 
Catholicism/ Christianity are largely matters of individual faith and cannot be proven or disproven.

The fact that scientific theory or technology or knowledge is constantly evolving to me is a separate matter from my faith in God. The two things are not and never will be mutually exclusive, in the sense that if you believe in some particular scientific principle you must disbelieve in God, or vice versa.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
By the way, there are already people occurring and who have occurred via natural birth who have physical and genetic characteristics of both genders.
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And because neither Scripture nor Church teaching deal in any way with sexual anomalies, such occurrences do not in fact disprove the Church.

ICXC NIKA
 
thinkandmull said:
I was reading this this morning:

bbc.com/news/health-31069173

I have heard of this before. The babies will technically be from two parents, but have extra material from another person. At least, that is how it appears to me. There are three ways, in my opinion, that science wants to and can (IF they succeed) disprove Christian doctrine;
  1. If they make someone who doesn’t clearly have less than 3 parents (cloning I think is explainable)
  2. If they make someone who isn’t neither fully male nor fully female
  3. If they engineer people to procreate with lower (not higher) species to the point that a fertile rational being results (one human parent, one animal)
These are the only ones I can think of. Can anyone out there think of another one? Does anyone have information on which scientists or groups are anti-Christian and want to do something scientific that destroys the faith? Can we ever trust them on scientific accomplishments?
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I fail to see the theological or scientific problem here.
 
thinkandmull said:
I was reading this this morning:

bbc.com/news/health-31069173

I have heard of this before. The babies will technically be from two parents, but have extra material from another person. At least, that is how it appears to me. There are three ways, in my opinion, that science wants to and can (IF they succeed) disprove Christian doctrine;
  1. If they make someone who doesn’t clearly have less than 3 parents (cloning I think is explainable)
  2. If they make someone who isn’t neither fully male nor fully female
  3. If they engineer people to procreate with lower (not higher) species to the point that a fertile rational being results (one human parent, one animal)
These are the only ones I can think of. Can anyone out there think of another one? Does anyone have information on which scientists or groups are anti-Christian and want to do something scientific that destroys the faith? Can we ever trust them on scientific accomplishments?
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Science works by methodological naturalism. That is: the process of looking for natural explanations of observed events in reality. It is not saying that the supernatural does not exist at all, only that we can not use it as an explanation for anything yet since we can not, currently, study the supernatural and how it interacts in reality.

Faith vs belief: When you have sufficient evidence to believe something is the case, you just call it a belief. When you do not have sufficient evidence to believe something, you call it faith. That is how I see people using these terms. So by that, I understand this is just my experience for how people use these words, people can believe anything and justify any action on “faith”.

Science does not have an agenda to destroy faith or religion. It just searches for the most likely, the most statistically plausible outcome based on an observed sequence of events. It does not look for “truth”. If you start looking like an idiot for a continued belief in your religion, despite the current understanding of that event, (looking at you flat-earthers), then that is your problem that you think science is out to destroy your faith in a flat earth, for example of something ridiculous for this explanation. Just readjust your explanation for your faith that is soo abstract and unfalsifiable where it can not be challenged by the time you die and you live a happier life. Just look at anyone, in any pew, in your church and they’ll show you how to do this.

Trust is built on consistency. I can trust bad people to do bad things, good people to do good things, and stupid people to make bad arguments. People trust the scientific process because, by definition, it looks for the most statistically plausible outcome of an observed sequence of events in reality. The consistency of it.
 
thinkandmull said:
I was reading this this morning:

bbc.com/news/health-31069173

I have heard of this before. The babies will technically be from two parents, but have extra material from another person. At least, that is how it appears to me. There are three ways, in my opinion, that science wants to and can (IF they succeed) disprove Christian doctrine;
  1. If they make someone who doesn’t clearly have less than 3 parents (cloning I think is explainable)
  2. If they make someone who isn’t neither fully male nor fully female
  3. If they engineer people to procreate with lower (not higher) species to the point that a fertile rational being results (one human parent, one animal)
These are the only ones I can think of. Can anyone out there think of another one? Does anyone have information on which scientists or groups are anti-Christian and want to do something scientific that destroys the faith? Can we ever trust them on scientific accomplishments?
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None of these examples would disprove Catholicism.

Disprove the resurrection. If Christ is not raised, our faith is in vain.
 
Faith and right reason come from the same source and point without contradiction to the same end.
 
Wesrock said:
None of these examples would disprove Catholicism.

Disprove the resurrection. If Christ is not raised, our faith is in vain.
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Bingo.

I would add that the passage of time since the resurrection adds to the strength of it and the truth of the Church, due to other scientifically unexplainable happenings.

So time passing strengthens the argument for the Church.
 
IMO, if they ever successfully cloned a person without the female body providing the womb, and or were able to create an offspring from multiple parents, even 2 of the same gender, that would make me take notice.

The only other thing I could think of is if they ever found a way to beat death, whether it be transferring a persons consciousness to another body, or some other method. I do not think that is something God would allow to happen at any point, if it did, it would make me seriously question my beliefs.
 
mikekle said:
IMO, if they ever successfully cloned a person without the female body providing the womb, and or were able to create an offspring from multiple parents, even 2 of the same gender, that would make me take notice.

The only other thing I could think of is if they ever found a way to beat death, whether it be transferring a persons consciousness to another body, or some other method. I do not think that is something God would allow to happen at any point, if it did, it would make me seriously question my beliefs.
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We would have to redefine the human soul, mebbe (and that Might be a good thing; understandings from Aquinian times don’t work so well in a world of neuroscience and the PET scanner); but it would not In any way disprove the Church. Either our LORD rose from death or He did not.

We give sexuality too much importance, either in defining our being, or in thinking it’s permutations can somehow overturn the faith.

As to defeating death. – it can only be held in a standoff. If aging, cancer, dementia and the HIV were all overcome and nobody died naturally, we would still have fragile necks; could still drown, bust our heads, or wipe out on the road. Our dear old human bodies are just too flimsy.

You cannot pour life everlasting into an old human skin; the skin won’t hold it. Only in the Spiritual Body (pneumatikon soma) will death be finally “overcome.”

ICXC NIKA
 
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