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BIC
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Does the pope get to chose his on title/name while he is in office?
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Joe_Kelley
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I think he chooses it immediately upon his election. They count the votes, ask him if he accepts, and ask what will he be called. Then he is vested and led out to address the crowds.
This is from a fuzzy memory so don’t bet on the details.
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Katholikos
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The title of “Pope” (English translation of the Greek/Latin word for “father”) comes with the job of Bishop of Rome. That’s the office to which he’s elected. He inherits several other titles that also come with the job. His name (John Paul) is his own selection. He’s the second Bishop of Rome to choose that name, so he’s John Paul II. In Spanish and other romance languages, the title is simply “Papa.”
All Catholic priests are called “Father.” The Bishop of Rome is first of all a priest.
JMJ Jay
All Catholic priests are called “Father.” The Bishop of Rome is first of all a priest.
JMJ Jay
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Exporter
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Joe Kelley:
Joe Kelly, I agree with you, so both of us are correct.
Joe Kelly, I agree with you, so both of us are correct.
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Katholikos
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Exporter said:
Well, you guys are half right – right about the name, but the title comes with the job.
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Amadeus
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Let me join you in this exercise.
I think there are 3 concepts that we are trying to grasp and to distinguish: (1) the Office; (2) the Title(s); and (3) the Name(s) of regnal Popes.
(1) The Office
The papal “Office” is, and has been referred to invariably as, the “Petrine Office.” We, Catholics, firmly believe that Jesus Christ, Our Lord, instituted it upon His conferral on St. Peter singular "leadership"of the Church: “On this rock, I shall build My Church;” “Feed my sheep;” and His delivery to St. Peter of the “keys of the Kingdom!”
Thus, the “Petrine Office” is divinely instituted and can be inferred clearly from scripture. On this basis, the *Latin Code of Canons * (a similar provision is in the Eastern Code) provides that this “Office” abides in the Bishop of Rome, St. Peter being the first and reigning Bishop of Rome when the Risen Lord conferred on him the “commission,.” or what it is called the “Petrine Ministry.”
We also believe that this “Office” was meant to be transferrable ONLY to the successors of the Bishop of Rome.
(2) The Title(s)
The Lord did not specify the new “title” with which the Bishop of Rome would be known. But in the olden days, there was this “Pontifical College” in the pagan Roman Empire which constituted the “priesthood” of the Roman imperial court. The head or “High Priest” of that college was called the “*Pontifex Maximus.” * The Bishop of Rome would later adopt this title as his own and the Popes, including His Holiness, John Paul II, sign this after their name.
The Code, however, simply refers to the Bishop of Rome as the *“Roman Pontiff” * to signify the lineage of the “Petrine Office” as solely emanating from St. Peter’s see and on to his successors, with its triple functions: the head of the College of Bishops (Pontifex Maximus), the Vicar of Christ (“Prime Minister”), and the Pastor of the universal Church here on earth. In Church documents, *“Supreme Pontiff” * has become interchangeable with “Roman Pontiff” as the former can be understood to embrace the threefold functions of the papacy. (Cf. Codes of Canons for the Latin and Eastern Churches, and the Apostolic Constitution Universi Dominci Gregis, the special law governing the election of the Pope.)
The popular title of “Pope” has been explained above.
In addition, the Pope has his secular title as “Chief of State” of the Vatican City State and has other minor ecclesial titles.
(3) The Name(s)
The regnal name adopted by the newly elected Pope is covered by Chapter VII of the 1996 AC *Universi Dominici Gregis. * Thus, Section 87 provides:
I think there are 3 concepts that we are trying to grasp and to distinguish: (1) the Office; (2) the Title(s); and (3) the Name(s) of regnal Popes.
(1) The Office
The papal “Office” is, and has been referred to invariably as, the “Petrine Office.” We, Catholics, firmly believe that Jesus Christ, Our Lord, instituted it upon His conferral on St. Peter singular "leadership"of the Church: “On this rock, I shall build My Church;” “Feed my sheep;” and His delivery to St. Peter of the “keys of the Kingdom!”
Thus, the “Petrine Office” is divinely instituted and can be inferred clearly from scripture. On this basis, the *Latin Code of Canons * (a similar provision is in the Eastern Code) provides that this “Office” abides in the Bishop of Rome, St. Peter being the first and reigning Bishop of Rome when the Risen Lord conferred on him the “commission,.” or what it is called the “Petrine Ministry.”
We also believe that this “Office” was meant to be transferrable ONLY to the successors of the Bishop of Rome.
(2) The Title(s)
The Lord did not specify the new “title” with which the Bishop of Rome would be known. But in the olden days, there was this “Pontifical College” in the pagan Roman Empire which constituted the “priesthood” of the Roman imperial court. The head or “High Priest” of that college was called the “*Pontifex Maximus.” * The Bishop of Rome would later adopt this title as his own and the Popes, including His Holiness, John Paul II, sign this after their name.
The Code, however, simply refers to the Bishop of Rome as the *“Roman Pontiff” * to signify the lineage of the “Petrine Office” as solely emanating from St. Peter’s see and on to his successors, with its triple functions: the head of the College of Bishops (Pontifex Maximus), the Vicar of Christ (“Prime Minister”), and the Pastor of the universal Church here on earth. In Church documents, *“Supreme Pontiff” * has become interchangeable with “Roman Pontiff” as the former can be understood to embrace the threefold functions of the papacy. (Cf. Codes of Canons for the Latin and Eastern Churches, and the Apostolic Constitution Universi Dominci Gregis, the special law governing the election of the Pope.)
The popular title of “Pope” has been explained above.
In addition, the Pope has his secular title as “Chief of State” of the Vatican City State and has other minor ecclesial titles.
(3) The Name(s)
The regnal name adopted by the newly elected Pope is covered by Chapter VII of the 1996 AC *Universi Dominici Gregis. * Thus, Section 87 provides:
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SouthCoast
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As a soon-to-be-Catholic, my questions would be this:
Why do they not use their birth-given names?..
Is there a “list” of names from which they can choose?..
Is there significance placed on any of the papal names?..
-Michael
Why do they not use their birth-given names?..
Is there a “list” of names from which they can choose?..
Is there significance placed on any of the papal names?..
-Michael
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Exporter
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Why not use their “birth names”?
It was the custom of the Jews who came before Christ to give a new name to a man when that man assumed a new job of importance.
When Jesus first met Simon Bar Jonah Jesus gave him a new name. The new name was Cephas (Aramaic for stone or Rock). In Matt 16:18 -19, Jesus again named the old Simon aa new name, it was Cephas when He told Cephass ( later Peter) This was translated in tto Greek later, and Cephas became “Petros” and when Anglicised it was PETER.
Our Church grew out of the precusor Church - the Jewish Church. So we retained the Custom of cchangiing names when promoted tto a new Station in Life.
It was the custom of the Jews who came before Christ to give a new name to a man when that man assumed a new job of importance.
When Jesus first met Simon Bar Jonah Jesus gave him a new name. The new name was Cephas (Aramaic for stone or Rock). In Matt 16:18 -19, Jesus again named the old Simon aa new name, it was Cephas when He told Cephass ( later Peter) This was translated in tto Greek later, and Cephas became “Petros” and when Anglicised it was PETER.
Our Church grew out of the precusor Church - the Jewish Church. So we retained the Custom of cchangiing names when promoted tto a new Station in Life.
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adstrinity
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sigh I almost DON’T want to do this, but, a little humour (VERY little
)…I saw something a few days ago along the lines of somebody questioning this very thing, conversing with a friend & saying if he ever became pope (never gonna happen), he’d change his name to Pope Perri, so everytime somebody said it, they’d chuckle a little.
…Okay, I gotta be honest with you all, it humoured me, I hope you smile a little at that.
)…I saw something a few days ago along the lines of somebody questioning this very thing, conversing with a friend & saying if he ever became pope (never gonna happen), he’d change his name to Pope Perri, so everytime somebody said it, they’d chuckle a little. …Okay, I gotta be honest with you all, it humoured me, I hope you smile a little at that.
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Katholikos
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:clapping: :tiphat: :bounce: :yup: :bowdown:
I understand that JP2 likes Pope jokes. He’d love this one! funnnnnnnnneeeeeeeee
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