What's the #1 thing you HAVE and MUST belive in order to be called a Catholic?

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ALL that the Church teaches.
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When converts to the Catholic Faith make their Profession of Faith they are vowing before man and God to accept EVERYTHING that the Catholic Church infallibly teaches.

The Profession of Faith in the old Roman Ritual didn’t leave much doubt about that converts were professing to believe in the Church’s doctrines of infallibility:**
The Roman Ritual**
Reception of Converts

Profession of Faith (short form, pp. 35.)

I., N. N., having before me the holy Gospels, which I touch with my hand and knowing that no one can be saved without that faith which the Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church holds, believes, and teaches, against which I grieve that I have greatly erred, inasmuch as I have held and believed doctrines opposed to her teaching –

I now, with sorrow and contrition for my past errors, profess that I believe the Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church to be the only and true Church established on earth by Jesus Christ, to which I submit myself with my whole soul. I believe all the articles of Faith that she proposes to my belief, and I reject and condemn all that she rejects and condemns, and I am ready to observe all that she commands me. And I make the following profession of Faith:

I believe in only one God in three divine Persons, distinct from, and equal to, each other – that is to say, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

I believe in the Catholic doctrine of the Incarnation, Passion, Death, and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ; and the personal union of the two Natures, the divine and the human; the divine Maternity of the most holy Mary, together with her most spotless Virginity.

I believe in the true, real and substantial presence of the Body and Blood, together with the Soul and Divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ, in the most holy Sacrament of the Eucharist.

I believe in the seven Sacraments instituted by Jesus Christ for the salvation of mankind – that is to say, Baptism, Confirmation, Eucharist, Penance, Extreme Unction, Order, Matrimony.

I believe in Purgatory, the Resurrection of the Dead, Everlasting Life.

I believe in the Primacy, not only of honor, but of jurisdiction, of the Roman Pontiff successor of St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles, Vicar of Jesus Christ.

I believe in the veneration of Saints and of their images.

I believe in the authority of the Apostolic and Ecclesial Traditions, and of the Holy Scriptures, which we must interpret and understand only in the sense which our holy mother the Catholic Church has held and does hold.

And I believe in everything else that has been defined and declared by the sacred Canons and by the General Councils, and particularly by the holy Council of Trent, and delivered, defined, and declared by the General Council of the Vatican, especially concerning the Primacy of the Roman Pontiff, and his infallible teaching authority.

With sincere heart, therefore, and with unfeigned faith, I detest and abjure every error, heresy, and sect opposed to the said holy, Catholic and Apostolic Roman Church. So help me God, and these His holy Gospels, which I touch with my hand.
 
When converts to the Catholic Faith make their Profession of Faith they are vowing before man and God to accept EVERYTHING that the Catholic Church infallibly teaches.

The Profession of Faith in the old Roman Ritual didn’t leave much doubt about that converts were professing to believe in the Church’s doctrines of infallibility:**
The Roman Ritual**
Reception of Converts

Profession of Faith (short form, pp. 35.)

I., N. N., having before me the holy Gospels, which I touch with my hand and knowing that no one can be saved without that faith which the Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church holds, believes, and teaches, against which I grieve that I have greatly erred, inasmuch as I have held and believed doctrines opposed to her teaching –

I now, with sorrow and contrition for my past errors, profess that I believe the Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church to be the only and true Church established on earth by Jesus Christ, to which I submit myself with my whole soul. I believe all the articles of Faith that she proposes to my belief, and I reject and condemn all that she rejects and condemns, and I am ready to observe all that she commands me. And I make the following profession of Faith:

I believe in only one God in three divine Persons, distinct from, and equal to, each other – that is to say, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

I believe in the Catholic doctrine of the Incarnation, Passion, Death, and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ; and the personal union of the two Natures, the divine and the human; the divine Maternity of the most holy Mary, together with her most spotless Virginity.

I believe in the true, real and substantial presence of the Body and Blood, together with the Soul and Divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ, in the most holy Sacrament of the Eucharist.

I believe in the seven Sacraments instituted by Jesus Christ for the salvation of mankind – that is to say, Baptism, Confirmation, Eucharist, Penance, Extreme Unction, Order, Matrimony.

I believe in Purgatory, the Resurrection of the Dead, Everlasting Life.

I believe in the Primacy, not only of honor, but of jurisdiction, of the Roman Pontiff successor of St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles, Vicar of Jesus Christ.

I believe in the veneration of Saints and of their images.

I believe in the authority of the Apostolic and Ecclesial Traditions, and of the Holy Scriptures, which we must interpret and understand only in the sense which our holy mother the Catholic Church has held and does hold.

And I believe in everything else that has been defined and declared by the sacred Canons and by the General Councils, and particularly by the holy Council of Trent, and delivered, defined, and declared by the General Council of the Vatican, especially concerning the Primacy of the Roman Pontiff, and his infallible teaching authority.

With sincere heart, therefore, and with unfeigned faith, I detest and abjure every error, heresy, and sect opposed to the said holy, Catholic and Apostolic Roman Church. So help me God, and these His holy Gospels, which I touch with my hand.
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Wow! I’ll be making my first vow in front of God and the congregation! 👍 Thanks for telling me this! What am I suppose to touch? :confused:
 
Paris Blues:
Wow! I’ll be making my first vow in front of God and the congregation! 👍 Thanks for telling me this! What am I suppose to touch? :confused:
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If you are making your Confirmation during a Mass, you will stand before the assembly at the front of the altar and make your Profession of Faith. You won’t be using the old Roman Ritual for your Confirmation, and I don’t believe that you will place your hand on a Bible when you make your Profession of Faith.

Before you are confirmed, someone in your RCIA team should walk you through the confirmation ritual, just as married couples have a practice wedding ritual before their actual wedding.

Here is the section about the Profession of Faith from the liturgy that I think that you will probably use:**RECEPTION OF BAPTIZED CHRISTIANS INTO THE FULL COMMUNION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

RECEPTION WITHIN MASS

PROFESSION BY THE CANDIDATE**

491 The one to be received then joins the community in reciting the Nicene Creed, which is always said at this Mass.

The celebrant then asks the one to be received to add the following profession of faith. The candidate says:

Candidates: I believe and profess all that the holy Catholic Church believes, teaches, and proclaims to be revealed by God.​
 
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Matt16_18:
If you are making your Confirmation during a Mass, you will stand before the assembly at the front of the altar and make your Profession of Faith. You won’t be using the old Roman Ritual for your Confirmation, and I don’t believe that you will place your hand on a Bible when you make your Profession of Faith.

Before you are confirmed, someone in your RCIA team should walk you through the confirmation ritual, just as married couples have a practice wedding ritual before their actual wedding.

Here is the section about the Profession of Faith from the liturgy that I think that you will probably use:**RECEPTION OF BAPTIZED CHRISTIANS INTO THE FULL COMMUNION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

RECEPTION WITHIN MASS

PROFESSION BY THE CANDIDATE**

491 The one to be received then joins the community in reciting the Nicene Creed, which is always said at this Mass.

The celebrant then asks the one to be received to add the following profession of faith. The candidate says:

Candidates: I believe and profess all that the holy Catholic Church believes, teaches, and proclaims to be revealed by God.​
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Ah…maybe that’s why we have rehearsals before the big date, eh?
 
Paris Blues:
Excuse me? You’re saying we as Catholics aren’t Christian? :mad:

Is that what you’re hinting here?

Yeah, THAT’S really Christian right there! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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No offense, but I think you mis-interpreted what I said that. If you say you are christian (which I never once denied you were, or hinted at) then what are the necessary factors for that to happen ie you to become a christian. I would ask the exact same question to a muslim, protestant, jw, catholic, buddhist (but obviously to fit religion for buddhists and muslims) etc.

Please, don’t automatically interpret things negatively!
 
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Protestante:
Well could somebody also answer for me then what is necessary for you guys to consider yourself christian ie Saved?
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I see what you are trying to ask but if you really want this question answered then you should probably post it in another thread.

Ah and by the way, not everyone uses the same definition of ‘Saved’, or doesn’t think that Christian and Saved are the same thing. So a better way to ask your question is just to ask ‘What makes someone Christian’ (I think that’s what you really wanted to know).

I’m pretty sure there is somewhere in the bible which gives an exact definition of what a Christian is, but I wouldn’t know exactly where (pretty sure it would be in the NT though).

But anyway, I reckon a Christian is a person who believes that Jesus is God. That’s what makes us different from the similar monotheistic religions (Judaism and Islam), well that’s the most important difference anyway. And it’s also one thing that all Christians have in common, from Catholics to Pentecostals and Adventists, and even if a new Christian sect or group got started that’s one thing I’m sure they would still all believe.
 
To be considered Catholic I believe in all the items listed above. I especially like the posting of the RCIA entry profession for its completeness. But to bring it down to its basics I believe to be Catholic we must believe everything Jesus says. In other words we must believe He never lies. I like how the word CHURCH subtly shows us the truth.
First CH at the beginning and end indicate to me the statement, “I am tha Alpha and the Omega. The begining and the end.”
The U R answers the universiality of His Church for when you look to see who is at the center of Church the middle two letters say YOU ARE. That You is all inclusive and therefore truly universal as the word Catholic means universal. Truly one for all and all for one.
 
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DianJo:
If you want a #1 answer as to what makes a Catholic a Catholic then I would have to say - THE EUCHARIST and the REAL PRESENCE OF JESUS!

This is the one thing that makes Catholics different from the other denominations. Most (or all) Christians believe and recite the Nicene Creed. All Christians are properly baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Some denominations have some of the sacraments in some form but the one thing only the Catholic Church offers that no other denominaton does is the Eucharist.

The Holy Eucharist is the height and summit of our faith in Jesus. No one else offers that!
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Exactly! If you don’t believe in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, then forget about being a Catholic. Without the Holy Eucharist, our church is not much different than a lot of other churches. To me, that would be the number one thing.
 
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aurora77:
My absolute #1 would be the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. If you don’t believe that, you aren’t a Catholic. #2 would be belief that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, thus giving it the authority to preach and teach Christ’s people.
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I think you have these reversed. We would not have the Real Presence if we didn’t first have the Real Church. And how can you believe it if you didn’t believe what the Church taught about it?

The main requirement to be a true Catholic is to be in union with the Pope, from whom we have the Church, the sacraments, and the true Faith of Christ. Jesus built His Church on the first Pope, and to be a child of the Church, we must be obedient to him.

1 Peter 2:25 For you were as sheep going astray; but you are now converted to the shepherd and bishop of your souls.

hurst
 
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Protestante:
…what are the necessary factors for that to happen ie you to become a christian.
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It would be necessary to practice what the Church teaches.

But first, you must be baptized. Then when you are old enough to understand the faith, you must believe and practice it, and persevere until death.

Not all who say they are Catholic even know what the Church teaches, much less practice it. Still, the weeds grow up with the wheat, and they will be separated at the harvest time.

hurst
 
Paris Blues:
I hear that you have to believe that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, believe in the Eucharist, believe that the Church was founded on the apostles, etc.

Well, what IS the #1???
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The #1 thing you must believe is that the Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. 🙂 Everything falls in place after you accept Jesus’ words on this.
 
Semper Fi:
The #1 thing you must believe is that the Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. 🙂 Everything falls in place after you accept Jesus’ words on this.
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I will still say that unless you really believe that the Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus, you have problems being Catholic. There are a few people that believe most everything else, but do not REALLY believe in the REAL PRESENCE. My rant is over. Have and nice day!
 
This is a trick question. There is no #1 thing - you must believe it all to be Catholic. Otherwise, you are Protestant. If you’re looking for the #1 thing no one besides Catholics believe, it’s the Papacy. Real presence, church authority, bishops, Mary, etc. is all believed by one or more non-Catholic church. (Of course, if you accept the Papacy but reject something else - say, birth control - you’re not Catholic either.)
 
And to beleive when Jesus told Peter, “You are Peter and on this Rock I will build My Church…” ? 😛

I STRONGLY believe that!!!
 
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davy39:
I will still say that unless you really believe that the Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus, you have problems being Catholic. There are a few people that believe most everything else, but do not REALLY believe in the REAL PRESENCE. My rant is over. Have and nice day!
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If you believe what I just said, then everything falls in line, including the Eucharist. 🙂
 
The church founded on the rock of Saint Peter. To believe that Jesus promise came/will come true when he says the gates of hell won’t assail it. And that the church will be led into truth. If you believe the Church’s teachings are true well than that includes everything right?
 
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