What's the difference between proselytizing and evangelizing?

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Sometimes the Church is accused of proselytizing – I believe the Russian Orthodox and possibly the Greek Orthodox Churches have made this accusation in the past.

Assuming proselytizing is bad, what is the difference between proselytizing and evangelizing, and how do you know if you’re doing one and not the other?
 
As simply as possible:

Evangelising: Sharing the faith with others, by example, catechesis or rational argument

Proselytizing: Attempting to convert someone by any means necessary.
 
Proselytizing: Attempting to convert someone by any means necessary.
Can you give any example of real proselytism in our own day? It sems that the vast majority of people equate this with evangelism.
 
The again, I could just as easily ask for one single example of the Church today actually evangelizing people.

She no longer does.

I don’t care what the Catechism or any other document says; I know of know religious order, or “missionary” order today, that actually goes out to make converts among the heathens, as their saintly predecessors of old did.

Sure, some of the more orthodox ones will at least accept people who convert, but these orders are sent to communities that are already Catholic.

All the rest of them just do “good works” and claim they are evangelizing by example.

Why is the Church so afraid to tell non-Catholic countries, “Yes, we want you to convert the true religion, and will do everything lawful to achieve that end.” Why is She so afraid of persecution?

Sigh What am I to say to my Protestant and Catholic friends who allege that the Church does not really evangelize, whereas Fundamentalist bodies do: they go on the street croners, leave pamphlets on busses and news stands, go door-to-door.

What do we Catholics do?

Sure, there are a few lay-Catholic organizations that try to evangelize: just barely a handful. And these, as I noted, are evangelizing IN SPITE OF the Church, not with her. They get no support, directly or indirectly, from Rome, and hardly from their bishops.

We’re at an evangelizing nadir, and quite frankly I fir one would welcome a little “proselytism”.
 
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DominvsVobiscvm:
Can you give any example of real proselytism in our own day? It sems that the vast majority of people equate this with evangelism.
Jehovah’s Witnesses and possibly Jack Chick come to mind. They distort the truth to get converts.
 
Main Entry: pros·e·ly·tize
Pronunciation: 'prä-s(&-)l&-"tIz
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -tized; -tiz·ing
intransitive senses
1 : to induce someone to convert to one’s faith
2 : to recruit someone to join one’s party, institution, or cause
transitive senses : to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

Main Entry: evan·ge·lize
Pronunciation: i-'van-j&-"lIz
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -lized; -liz·ing
transitive senses
1 : to preach the gospel to
2 : to convert to Christianity
intransitive senses : to preach the gospel
  • evan·ge·li·za·tion /-"van-j&-l&-'zA-sh&n/ noun
 
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DominvsVobiscvm:
Why do you say that?
JWs use a dishonestly translated Bible and frequently gloss over previous mistakes (especially prophecies) of the Watchtower Society. I’m not saying that all JWs know that they are doing this, but the entire organization seems geared toward proselytization.
 
JWs use a dishonestly translated Bible and frequently gloss over previous mistakes (especially prophecies) of the Watchtower Society. I’m not saying that all JWs know that they are doing this, but the entire organization seems geared toward proselytization.
It seems any church can make these same accusations against any church who they think isn’t teaching the true faith.

The New World Translation, contrary to popular belief, is accepted by many scholars as a valid translation, and many of its readings can be defended by certain exegesis.

Catholic translations, too, have their own biases, and this is to be expected.

The Witnesses I know are all pretty free about admitting the false guesses about when the world is going to end.

They just insist that thesewere not "prophecies"but somethig along the lines of “forecasts” which just happened to have been found wrong.

Non-Catholics often accuse us of glossing over our own history when we do all we can to prove that many seemingly non-infallible Popes did not infact contradict current dogma, or when we defend other isntances in which it is alleged Church teaching changed.

The JWs are a weird religion, even diabolical; but to accuse them (even implicily) of being a cult, or of brainwashing, does no one a service. And it’s uncharitable.
 
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WhiteDove:
Main Entry: pros·e·ly·tize
Pronunciation: 'prä-s(&-)l&-"tIz
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -tized; -tiz·ing
intransitive senses
1 : to induce someone to convert to one’s faith
2 : to recruit someone to join one’s party, institution, or cause
transitive senses : to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

Main Entry: evan·ge·lize
Pronunciation: i-'van-j&-"lIz
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -lized; -liz·ing
transitive senses
1 : to preach the gospel to
2 : to convert to Christianity
intransitive senses : to preach the gospel
  • evan·ge·li·za·tion /-"van-j&-l&-'zA-sh&n/ noun
My point is that proselytizing usually has a bad connotation, while evangelizing is good and something we’re all called to do. From the definitions given above it sounds like proselytizing can be defined as “to convert, especially to a new faith”, while evangelizing can be defined as “to convert to Christianity”.

Why is proselytizing bad and evangelizing good when they sound like they’re the same thing? If someone accuses you of proselytizing, how would you show them that you were obviously evangelizing, and not proselytizing?

My guess is that proselytizing is more along the lines of badgering and continuing to argue when the other party is no longer listening – possibly inducing them to convert not by convincing them of the truth but by some other attraction – such as “We’ll build you a house and move you out of the slum if you convert to our religion”.
 
Modernists who use the word “proselytize” are the same ones who don’t approve of evangelization of any kind.

The word has negative connotations,yes, but it does not really carry a negative meaning. Every religion that is evangelized by another religion consideres the “other” religion’s efforts as proselytizing. And when they themselves do it to the “other” religion, its evangelizing.

There is no real difference. Watchthe waythis word is used by those who actually use it.

It’s like the word “cult.” Really, all religions are cults. But the word carries with it certain negative connotations, and anyreligion wanting to libel another one can label it a “cult.” But when you actually consider their definition of a cult (i.e. a religious group that follows a living leader who promotes new and unorthodox doctrines and practices, normally a small fringe group centered around a single charismatic individual), you will find that Christianity sure fits this definition to a "T,"as does every other mainstream religion.

Which is why serious students of religion to not use the word “cult” with the popular, but inaccurate, meaning.

Today’s academia sees all evangelizing as intolerant and unecumenical, and so brand it with the bad-sounding word “proselytizing.”
 
The key to the difference is the teaching of the Gospel, the Christianity part of the conversion. If someone were to attempt to convert you to Islam, he would not be evangelizing he’d be proselytizing, since he would NOT be attempting to convert you to Christianity, but away from Christianity. Using this term to describe Catholicism is degrading since it implies the attempt to convert to a faith other than Christianity.
Evangelization is only connected to Christianity.
Proselytizing is conversion to ANY religion, not necessarilly Christianity.
 
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DominvsVobiscvm:
The New World Translation, contrary to popular belief, is accepted by many scholars as a valid translation, and many of its readings can be defended by certain exegesis.
The New World Translation renders the John 1 as “In the beginnin there was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was a god” (emphasis mine). There is nothing in the original Greek to support this. How can this be defended when no other translation in nearly 2000 years has rendered it this way? But it is necessary for the JWs to be able to keep their belief that Jesus was not divine.
Catholic translations, too, have their own biases, and this is to be expected.
Could you cite an example?
The Witnesses I know are all pretty free about admitting the false guesses about when the world is going to end.

They just insist that thesewere not "prophecies"but somethig along the lines of “forecasts” which just happened to have been found wrong.

Non-Catholics often accuse us of glossing over our own history when we do all we can to prove that many seemingly non-infallible Popes did not infact contradict current dogma, or when we defend other isntances in which it is alleged Church teaching changed.
I can see the similarity here. I’m speaking of the Witnesses who explicity deny that the Watchtower society ever made these predictions at all. They have to be confronted with actual copies of Awake! or The Watchtower to be convinced.
The JWs are a weird religion, even diabolical; but to accuse them (even implicily) of being a cult, or of brainwashing, does no one a service. And it’s uncharitable.
I think you’re reading intent where none exists. I don’t think the JWs are a cult, and I didn’t mean to imply that. I do think, however, that the organization as a whole has a tendency more toward dishonesty than truth.
 
To put it bluntly, properly speaking, evangelization is sharing the Good News with those who have not heard it. Proselytizing, on the other hand, is considered “sheep stealing.” If you aproach someone who belongs to a church and considers themself a Christian, but you convince him he is not, and that to be one he has to join your Church, that’s proselytizing.

We Catholics, by the way, can be guilty of it too, and have to be careful when dealing with other Christians. We can recognize them as Christians, while at the same time share with them the fulness of Faith that is only found in the Catholic Church.
 
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DominvsVobiscvm:
Sure, there are a few lay-Catholic organizations that try to evangelize: just barely a handful. And these, as I noted, are evangelizing IN SPITE OF the Church, not with her. They get no support, directly or indirectly, from Rome, and hardly from their bishops.

We’re at an evangelizing nadir, and quite frankly I fir one would welcome a little “proselytism”.
That’s because it’s OUR job to evangelize…nowhere does it say that it is left up to the church per se…we have a light to shine into the darkness around us. Do we really NEED a support group from the church. (agreed …it WOULD be nice!) But if we feel like that should be done then isn’t that the Holy Spirit leading us? There are TONS of resources out there like the Catholic Society of Evangelists saint-mike.org/cse/default.asp
Gospa Missions (gospa.org/) & bunches more.

Let’s be about Our Father’s business… 👍
 
The New World Translation renders the John 1 as “In the beginnin there was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was a god” (emphasis mine). There is nothing in the original Greek to support this.
They would argue: The Greek language itself does not have indefinite articles,and so anywhere you say an “a” or an “an” it is added by the translator; and the passage could just as easily say that Jesus is simply a divine being, and not Almight Gog himself. And so the insertion of an “a” is truth to the sense of the text.

Of course, there are counter-arguments. And I accept these. But if the Watchtower doesn’t, then I’ve no need to assume that they keep this translation out of deliberate lie.
Could you cite an example?
There’s no need to. I’m not a Biblical scholar, so it’s not my place to say with any degree of authority. However, the pressence of bias, in ANY translation, is admitted by all Biblical scholars, no matter the religion. Naturallu, where two manuscripts contain different renderings, the Catholic scholar will choose the one which sounds more “Catholic.” Look, for example, at the appendix to the RSV-CE and see changes made to the Catholic version of the RSV.
I’m speaking of the Witnesses who explicity deny that the Watchtower society ever made these predictions at all. They have to be confronted with actual copies of Awake! or The Watchtower to be convinced.
Ler’s get real. The vast majority of Catholics don’t know about all this supposed historical contradictions which Protestants bring up. If they were told that a Pope in the 14th century denied that the souls of the just experience the beatific vision until Judgement Day, they’d probably assume it was a lie until they saw otherwise. If they were told that the Angelic Doctor of Catholic philosophy did not believe that humans received a human soul until 40 days after conception, they’d probably think that was a lie. And I could go on and on.

The point is, I would expect a Witness to demand proof about historical dirt on their Society, rather than just believe it because I told him it was true.
To put it bluntly, properly speaking, evangelization is sharing the Good News with those who have not heard it. Proselytizing, on the other hand, is considered “sheep stealing.” If you aproach someone who belongs to a church and considers themself a Christian, but you convince him he is not, and that to be one he has to join your Church, that’s proselytizing.
This simply is not true. The two words mean exactly the same thing. One just sounds meaner, and so people use it to discourage any form of evangelizing at all.

Never has the word “proselyitize” carried the meaning that you’ve given it, in any context. It’s a definition you just made up now, though with good intentions.
That’s because it’s OUR job to evangelize…nowhere does it say that it is left up to the church per se
That’s a load of Bull if I ever heard it. Every Catholic before the 1960s would have known it was the Church’s sacred duty to evangelize; and in fact, this is exactly what Vatican II and the Catechism say.

The hierarchy of the obligation to lead efforts to evangelize, although we lay also have the unfortunate obligation to pick up the slack when said hierarchy fail in this regard.

I for one have no problem telling Orthodox Russia, with all non-Catholics, that the salvation of its citizens is in peril unless they all convert to Catholicism. Neither should the Holy Father.
 
I write articles in our local community newspaper’s religious section once a week. As per our pastor, I am NOT allowed to write anything concerning Catholic doctrin or any teaching of our faith. In my opinion, a lost opportunity at evangelization.

Our Protestant friends have NO PROBLEM submitting articles outlining there faith beliefs for all to read. A great opportunity for them to evangelize.

I believe it is possible to evangelize in the “bible belt south” without proselytizing.

To proselytize is to bully (to some extent/my observation)

To evangelize is to share/teach/spread the faith through love
 
As per our pastor, I am NOT allowed to write anything concerning Catholic doctrin or any teaching of our faith.
Your pastor’s an idiot. Who is he to tell you what you can or cannot write in your local newspaper?
 
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Tom:
The key to the difference is the teaching of the Gospel, the Christianity part of the conversion. If someone were to attempt to convert you to Islam, he would not be evangelizing he’d be proselytizing, since he would NOT be attempting to convert you to Christianity, but away from Christianity. Using this term to describe Catholicism is degrading since it implies the attempt to convert to a faith other than Christianity.
Evangelization is only connected to Christianity.
Proselytizing is conversion to ANY religion, not necessarilly Christianity.
Excellent, Tom. Well done.
God bless you,
Paul
 
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