What's "wrong" with being a contemplative in today's Church?

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No one should be making anyone feel bad for observing and living out a fully discerned calling/vocation. I have only been Catholic for 2 years. I was watching Mother Angelica the other day, and she had quite a bit to say on this subject. Until I heard her, I never even realised there was this bias and resentment of contemplatives. It’s absurd. We are all called to God in the way in which he wishes us to respond. If you’re following that call, you’re doing your bit, just as God planned. He needs and wants a variety of people doing a variety of worhip and ministry here on earth, and if people have resentments about others over their calling, then they need to examine their OWN conscience and figure out what their own problem is. Maybe they’re not doing anything themselves, or are doing their acts superficially. Watch out for the green eyed monster, coveting, judging others etc. It’s not useful, and is in fact self destructive. If you don’t understand a practice, it’s most likely not for you. It is for you to only respect and love those called to the quieter practices, and thank them for doing their part. Take care of the log in your eye before the speck in your brother’s eye.

Peace,

Steve
 
I was watching Mother Angelica the other day, and she had quite a bit to say on this subject. Until I heard her, I never even realised there was this bias and resentment of contemplatives. It’s absurd.
The contemplative life (whether secular or religious) is nothing else than the way of the Cross. And one of the greatest crosses many contemplatives bear in their life is the rejection of those who live solely by the ways of the “world,” be they family, friends or fellow parishioners.

Comtemplatives seek to live in this world but not be of this world. Thus, one of the principal building blocks of a contemplative life is freeing oneself, as much as is possible in one’s state of life, from worldly attachements and clingings. Sadly, this excercise seems to threaten others who don’t understand what the contemplative seeks . . . namely union with God.

St. Teresa and St. John speak volumes on this very subject . . .

Dave.
 
The love of God also implies love of others through service. I always thought that contemplatives seek to become both Martha and Mary through unity with the Trinity and service of others at all times in their lives.
In order to receive the gift of infused contemplation, one must live a **generous Gospel life **with all possible virtues.

You are absolutely right about seeking to be both Martha and Mary – to love God with all your heart and to love neighbors as self. Otherwise, one would not be a true contemplative.
 
You are absolutely right about seeking to be both Martha and Mary – to love God with all your heart and to love neighbors as self. Otherwise, one would not be a true contemplative.
And what better example for living as Martha and Mary - outside the Gospel, of course - is the Little Way of St. Therese . . .
 
And what better example for living as Martha and Mary - outside the Gospel, of course - is the Little Way of St. Therese . . .
Yes. And this is what St. Therese has to say about Martha: “It is not Martha’s works that Jesus finds fault with; His divine Mother submitted humbly to these works all through her life since she had to prepare the meals of the Holy Family. It is only the restlessness of His ardent hostess that He willed to correct.” (Story of a Soul)

Maria
 
In order to receive the gift of infused contemplation, one must live a **generous Gospel life **with all possible virtues.
I would clarify further by adding that although virtue lived in our daily lives is necessary for infused contemplation, the reverse is also true - “moments of light and grace” during silent prayer defeinitely lead to an increase in virtue in our daily lives inmy experience. And so the process is an upward spiral of divine love - in which the contemplative draws nearer to the Trinity.

PS - I actually believe anyone that prays in any form to the Trinity is open to “infused contemplation” in one way or another.

I have never been happy with the distinction between contemplatives and others in the Church - we are all followers of Christ, we just do it differently as members of his body.
 
Life in a contemplative Order, for example, is very active indeed… Caring for the elderly and sick Sisters, cooking, cleaning,… earning the money to live on…

Those who leave to be hermits also have to eat and earn.

It is after all an incarnational faith.

And no, not higher; different.
I have not been able to read through all the posts on this thread, but I really wanted to respond to this particular post.

I was a postulant and novice in a contemplative monastery (Benedictine) for just over two years. We had a running joke that if God ever answered our prayers we might someday know a bit of boredom. Another joke was that we saw ourselves as active (hyperactive) contemplatives in our daily work!

The vowed contemplative life is indeed quite active - from the cooking, cleaning, and laundry (for 20+ people is A LOT), to caring for the grounds, the animals, the crops and gardens, caring for the dear elderly sisters, and my own personal cross to bear – practicing the organ for the Mass (I was not very good at that, though ironically I now get paid to play the piano at Mass!).

The contemplative life, I believe, is something we carry within ourselves, a way of being, rather than specific actions that others see. This is why people as active as Pope John Paul II and Blessed Mother Teresa could be considered examplary contemplatives.

Personally, I think the contemplative life is something to which every Christian is called. As paul said, “pray without ceasing.” It’s just a way of being with God in every moment, and being aware of His being with us.

Back to the OP. I agree with another poster that your priest was probably trying to light of fire under the “pew warmers” rather than address those who live in their faith day in and day out. Do what God is calling you to do. Prayer is never wasted.
 
The contemplative life (whether secular or religious) is nothing else than the way of the Cross. And one of the greatest crosses many contemplatives bear in their life is the rejection of those who live solely by the ways of the “world,” be they family, friends or fellow parishioners.

Comtemplatives seek to live in this world but not be of this world. Thus, one of the principal building blocks of a contemplative life is freeing oneself, as much as is possible in one’s state of life, from worldly attachements and clingings. Sadly, this excercise seems to threaten others who don’t understand what the contemplative seeks . . . namely union with God.

St. Teresa and St. John speak volumes on this very subject . . .

Dave.
Hi Dave, good to run into you again.

I agree with you almost 100% here, but might go a little further by saying that I think that we are all called to the contemplative life–to live in the world but not be of it. I do fear though that the Church often fails in stressing this, rather seeming to emphasize how to try to adapt to being in the world.

There is a vast difference in my opinion. Contemplation, as you note, seeks union with God, in which we will hopefully come to know the mind of God as we seek to do His will. Adapting, on the other hand, leads one to believe that it is on our own efforts that we will manage to “please God” and that “doing the right things” will bring us to salvation.

To me, for most of us it has to be a combination of contemplation and action, with the actions flowing from the contemplation. Of course we don’t get to choose when God will become so totally present to us as that is His gift, given as to our needs and ability to be present to Him. But I truly believe that we are all called to do our best to put ourselves into the position of being able to hear the still small voice.

Of course in saying all of this, I also have to acknowledge that there are some that are truly called to be the “prayer warriors”, whose *primary *purpose is the contemplative life of prayer, rather than being out on the “front lines” of pursuing social justice issues. While I think they are a relatively small group, their calling is very important and should be clear to them, and certainly not disparaged in any way.

And I totally agree with you about people who feel threatened by those who have been blessed to experience that presence. You can sense the difference at this very site, and often can sense those who have truly “experienced” God rather than just knowing about God. There is a sense of peace, and of knowing that God will make things right in spite of my own stumbling, that permeates those who have experienced God, while there seems to be a sense of fear, coupled with a belief that we must individually set out to correct everyone else, that often seems to indicate that someone hasn’t been blessed with that yet. It doesn’t make one better than the other, as it is God’s choice when and to whom He bestows the gift.

At times it makes for difficult discussion as there seems to just be completely different foundations for the discussion. Having seen that veil part enough times though, it does cause me to do my best to help people seek ways to make themselves present and quiet before God rather than trying so hard to adapt to the noise. It is hard sometimes when you get looked at like you have an extra nose because someone just doesn’t have a frame of reference to understand. But I have to believe that over time the peace in my life will allow someone to acknowledge that it has to be coming from somewhere and get to a point of truly trying to find where.

Father, help each of us to remember that our purpose in life is to find our way back to You. Let each of us reflect that joy and peace that will be a beacon to those who have not yet been able to experience that peace first hand.

Peace,
 
I would clarify further by adding that although virtue lived in our daily lives is necessary for infused contemplation, the reverse is also true - “moments of light and grace” during silent prayer defeinitely lead to an increase in virtue in our daily lives inmy experience. And so the process is an upward spiral of divine love - in which the contemplative draws nearer to the Trinity.
How true!

I’ve often felt the road to contemplation is paved in our feeble attempts at virtue; the “proof” of our prayer is the degree to which we grow and are strengthened in these very same acts of virtue.

A contemplative outlook is the realization we are all works in progress; that we are simply clay being formed by the hands of the master potter. What soul brought to contemplative prayer can’t see some aspect of virtue in their souls today that wasn’t there previously? And what a wonderful meditation it is to ponder how on earth it got there; for it surely didn’t come from me! And that’s when the soul truly begins to understand the gift of infused grace . . . born of a life of deep prayer and union with God.

As you say, it’s the “upward spiral of divine love.” 🙂

Dave.
 
I would clarify further by adding that although virtue lived in our daily lives is necessary for infused contemplation, the reverse is also true - “moments of light and grace” during silent prayer defeinitely lead to an increase in virtue in our daily lives inmy experience. And so the process is an upward spiral of divine love - in which the contemplative draws nearer to the Trinity.

PS - I actually believe anyone that prays in any form to the Trinity is open to “infused contemplation” in one way or another.
I agree. Using my own words, I will say this:
When we bring ourselves to the presence of God and receive grace and light in our prayers, the divine inspiration will empower and transform us to live a better Gospel life.
And the fact of living a Gospel life could put us better in tune with God, and help us better hear His voice. These two things are mutually reinforcing. But of course the source of the grace always and only comes from above.

You are absolutely right about all of us are called to be contemplative. There is no partiality in God.
 
QUESTION: Is there anything wrong with focusing one’s life on being a contemplative in today’s Catholic Church?
There are some famous Catholic contemplatives of our times.

Here is a list to start with:
  • Thomas Merton
  • John Main
  • Bede Griffiths
  • Thomas Keating
  • Bernadette Roberts
Any more?
 
I did not read the entire thread so maybe this has already been touched on…but…well, how do I put this… I think I’ll just give an example…

Last weekend, my son participated in a Tae Kwon Do tournament. Our school hosted the event. Within our school, parents were asked to volunteer in two hour time slots to run the concession stand and the t-shirt stand.

I signed up for my time slot 8am-10am. I left at 4:45 p.m. thoroughly exhausted and madder than a wet hen. I missed my son’s event. A few other parents volunteered but not enough. We were busy all day.

Here’s my point: Not enough people volunteer to help out - be it a sporting event, a church function or a school function. There is always the same old handful of people that help at everything and nobody else comes forward.

Please don’t take this post the wrong way. I am not overly active in my own parish and I prefer the contemplative role. I help on a case by case basis, as described above, but that experience really opened my eyes!!

I just wonder if some pastors, being human themselves, become frusturated when there aren’t enough helping hands. Sort of like the Little Red Hen and her loaf of bread.

Again, not trying to be critical. I myself am not an “activist” type parishioner. Just throwing out another point of view thanks to my recent experience.

“Many hands make light work”😊

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If more of us stepped forward to help out (myself included) we would ALL have more time for the contemplative side of our faith. :o
 
If more of us stepped forward to help out (myself included) we would ALL have more time for the contemplative side of our faith. :o
I would only reiterate that helping others and praying contemplatively are inextricably linked. I love the Church and her Clergy, but perhaps if more focus was put on explaining how to live a contemplative life as part of the homily etc, then I believe more and more people would help out in the Parish due to contemplative prayer opening them up fully to the promptings of the Holy Spirit.
 
There are some famous Catholic contemplatives of our times.

Here is a list to start with:
  • Thomas Merton
  • John Main
  • Bede Griffiths
  • Thomas Keating
  • Bernadette Roberts
Any more?
Mother Angelica
 
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