When did Jesus realise He was God?

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When did Jesus realise He was God?

Would this have occurred prior to the first miracle, and before He began His public ministry?

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The scriptures don’t say, but from what I understand, the Church teaches that He always knew He was God, even in the womb of the Blessed Virgin.
 
That is implied by the fact that when he stayed in the Temple and his mother and father came back to Jerusalem looking for him, he said, “Didn’t you know I would be here in my Father’s house?”
 
MH84 said:
The scriptures don’t say, but from what I understand, the Church teaches that He always knew He was God, even in the womb of the Blessed Virgin.
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Agreed. Everyone else on the scene, including John the Baptist in his mother’s womb, knew it at that point - Luke 1:39-45 - So why wouldn’t Jesus know it too? :rolleyes:
 
The Catechism of the Catholic Church to the rescue again:
**Christ’s soul and his human knowledge **
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471 Apollinarius of Laodicaea asserted that in Christ the divine Word had replaced the soul or spirit. Against this error the Church confessed that the eternal Son also assumed a rational, human soul.
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**472 **This human soul that the Son of God assumed is endowed with a true human knowledge. As such, this knowledge could not in itself be unlimited: it was exercised in the historical conditions of his existence in space and time. This is why the Son of God could, when he became man, “increase in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man”, and would even have to inquire for himself about what one in the human condition can learn only from experience. This corresponded to the reality of his voluntary emptying of himself, taking “the form of a slave”.
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473 But at the same time, this truly human knowledge of God’s Son expressed the divine life of his person. “The human nature of God’s Son, not by itself but by its union with the Word, knew and showed forth in itself everything that pertains to God.” Such is first of all the case with the intimate and immediate knowledge that the Son of God made man has of his Father. The Son in his human knowledge also showed the divine penetration he had into the secret thoughts of human hearts.
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**474 **By its union to the divine wisdom in the person of the Word incarnate, Christ enjoyed in his human knowledge the fullness of understanding of the eternal plans he had come to reveal. What he admitted to not knowing in this area, he elsewhere declared himself not sent to reveal.
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I believe based on waht the church teaches that he always knew.
 
We had a penitential service last night, based on Luke’s Passion. My jaw dropped when our pastor, in his homily, said that based on his disciples’ reactions Jesus was coming to an understanding that there was something special about him that might have to do with God. :confused:
 
the disciples i think new he was the son of God but they didn’t fully understand at the time that he was God incarnate. I could be wrong . But this is the way I understand it,🙂
 
butterflygirl12 said:
the disciples i think new he was the son of God but they didn’t fully understand at the time that he was God incarnate. I could be wrong . But this is the way I understand it,🙂
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His point was that JESUS was coming to that realization, based on the reactions of those around him. The implication being that JESUS had no idea at that point that he was the son of God & God incarnate.
 
Only those who have actually experienced the hypostatic union are qualified to answer this question. That is a short list and no one on it are saying.

the question bothers me a little but not nearly as much as those who dare to answer it. Stick with the CCC.
 
quasimodo said:
Only those who have actually experienced the hypostatic union are qualified to answer this question. That is a short list and no one on it are saying.

the question bothers me a little but not nearly as much as those who dare to answer it. Stick with the CCC.
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Your quasi-comment and the fact that you seem bothered by the legitimate desire of others to help answer this question, lead me to believe that you haven’t read your own little epitaph.

Be that as it may - Jesus Christ has always known and always been aware of His Divinity throughout His earthly life.

There, I dared to answer the question.
 
mangy_dog said:
Your quasi-comment and the fact that you seem bothered by the legitimate desire of others to help answer this question, lead me to believe that you haven’t read your own little epitaph.

Be that as it may - Jesus Christ has always known and always been aware of His Divinity throughout His earthly life.

There, I dared to answer the question.
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And I for one thank you:thumbsup:
 
mangy_dog said:
Your quasi-comment and the fact that you seem bothered by the legitimate desire of others to help answer this question, lead me to believe that you haven’t read your own little epitaph.

Be that as it may - Jesus Christ has always known and always been aware of His Divinity throughout His earthly life.

There, I dared to answer the question.
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Perhaps English is not your first language.

I did not say it was offensive nor that I was offended. Being bothered by something is not the same as being offended by it.
 
Phemie said:
His point was that JESUS was coming to that realization, based on the reactions of those around him. The implication being that JESUS had no idea at that point that he was the son of God & God incarnate.
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This is such a contrast to those who say He had full knowledge of His divinity from His very incarnation. I have read that there has been recent exploration of this notion of gradual realization in current Christology. It is obviously controversial. There were some things Our Lord said He did not know - when the end of the world would occur, for instance (Mark 13.32). The CCC does seem to cover this lack of knowledge in paragraph 474 which another poster mentions. And then there’s the cry from the Cross about being abandoned. Had He not realized fully His divinity by then?

Malperdy.
 
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