Well, you kinda moved the “how do we know if people are happy now (you’re comment)” in a different direction. Actually, if you want to go there, I agree with what you say! However, my mom and mother-in-law were in senior centers…not so friendly; but, perhaps that was your point.
You’re right. But thanks for letting me get a few things off my chest.
My friend, one thing that really surprised me when I visited the US for the first time this year was people’s behaviour at mass. There were some ladies sitting in the same row as me who arrived late and promptly started checking their phones, very few seemed to recite any of the prayers, and then maybe 20% walked out after receiving communion. And another lady stood on my foot in the rush to get out after mass and instead of apologising, looked at me and said “Your foot was in the way” Shocking!
Having come from London myself, I can relate to the discomfort felt by you. I suppose I should have gotten used to it by now but there are times…
What? So, in London, all behavior in church is superior to all the churches in America? One person has an issue, so we paint with a wide brush and put all people in America under the same umbrella? Am I missing something here?
“And with your spirit” is a more accurate translation of the phrase et cum spirito tuo than “and also with you”. I have no idea why they ever used and also with you in the first place. When I’m at the OF I can’t help but say et cum spirito tuo as the response since I’m so used to the EF of the mass.The last time I regularly attended mass was around 2007-2008. I am not a Catholic though I was in RCIA for a time. I noticed several differences.
*The Gloria is now in Latin – it used to be sung in English.
*The Sanctus is now sung in Latin instead of English
*The Agnus Dei is now sung in Latin
*“And Also with you” has been changed to “And with your spirit”
When was it decided to change much of the mass to Latin and why?
Thank you for any answers. Peace.
What I did was listen and watch some you tube videos that have the latin prayers ( pater noster, ave maria ect). It makes it much easier as you can associate the phonetic sounds with words since you can read and hear them at the same time. I’ve never gotten to the point of saying the mysteries in latin though.No Latin whatsoever in my church. I’ve been trying to teach myself the Rosary in Latin but…not so easy.
The story I heard was that the commission first wanted to change the greeting to “May the spirit of the Lord be with you” to which a response of “And also with you” would have been more natural. But certain members (Anglicans perhaps) felt the old “May the Lord be with you” should stay and a compromise was then reached.They might have been hurried by the bishops as well. Thus the awkward exchange.
Downloadable app for smartphone or tablets, Laudate, has the Latin Rosary prayers and audio version. Also the daily readings, saint of the day, Liturgy of the Hours, Catholic Bible, other prayers in Latin, etc. It’s free!No Latin whatsoever in my church. I’ve been trying to teach myself the Rosary in Latin but…not so easy.
It’s weird because the Spanish community did not make the change since they have already (in Spanish of course) used the RM3 translation.
My family and I attended Latin Mass for years before V11 and we loved it. We all new the responses in Latin although only the Altar boys were supposed to say them out loud. I was in the choir from the age of seven and learned to sing the Mass in Latin and learned Gregorian Chant. Loved it all. Don’t know where you are getting your info from but everyone I knew then were really happy with it and proud of it.
May be nice but who approved that?
I have no idea who approved it. My guess is no one but himself.
LOL…In defense of ProVobis, you are taking the post out of context. It was a tongue-in-cheek response to my post defending the Novus Ordo and my opinion that was posted many days ago. Did I call that correctly, ProVobis?
I don’t know if that’s entirely correct because I was hoping for responses like trish’s.
The singing in Latin is purely discretionary at the particular church you attend. The “And with your spirit” is the more literal translation of the ancient “et cum spiritu tuo.” There were other phrases in the creed that were made more literal than they had been in a previous English translation. I’m not sure if that affected all English-speaking countries or only the U.S.The last time I regularly attended mass was around 2007-2008. I am not a Catholic though I was in RCIA for a time. I noticed several differences.
*The Gloria is now in Latin – it used to be sung in English.
*The Sanctus is now sung in Latin instead of English
*The Agnus Dei is now sung in Latin
*“And Also with you” has been changed to “And with your spirit”
When was it decided to change much of the mass to Latin and why?
Thank you for any answers. Peace.
AFAIK, all English-speaking countries. One of the things to keep in mind is than many of the remote vernaculars in Africa and other places are based on English or another one of the major languages. The lack of Latinists forced it to be that way. Yet, strangely enough, Gregorian chant is not that uncommon in these countries.