When did the PROTESTANT religion go bad?

[pablope]

Actually, Luther simply moved them to the end of the Old Testament. Also, the first KJV Bibles included them but they were dropped later on.

I heard Luther did this…and the “appendix” where the DC where did not have page numbers…true?

 

[ShawnaW]

 

[willnotcomply]

Yes, I would say that a complete break from the Trinity constitutes “going in the wrong direction.” They embrace Polytheism and think that God lives on another planet. In that respect, it’s hard to even consider them as Protestants anymore. At least I HOPE I never hear about the Baptists building a spaceship to go find God on planet X. I think that would warrent a SERIOUS Novena!

 

[GaryTaylor]

The above represents the kind of generalizing about Protestantism that shows up often here at CAF and that I think really muddies the water just in terms of understanding what Protestants think and the diversity present in their views. .

Really its not a generalization, case in point Matthew 16:13-19

This has always struck me as somewhat ironic since Catholics are commonly pointing out misconceptions promulgated by non-Catholics about about what Catholics think/teach (and rightly so!!) while turning around and doing much same thing in a sense, by conflating “Protestantism” into one perhaps easy to understand but also very inaccurate summary…

Assumption not based on facts. Its a “they” “them” “those” statement.

For example, the sola scriptura (what you refer to above as “Bible alone”) espoused by most Evangelicals and fundamentalists is a far cry from what Luther and most Lutherans would understand to be the theological and practical meaning of the slogan. Seems like Lutherans should have first dibs on the term since they came up with it, but that’s just me And most certainly, Luther was no wholesale rejector of Sacred Tradition, although he did draw the boundaries of Sacred Tradition differently than did the Catholic Church of his day, or the way the Catholic Church does today for that matter…

You mean the way the Catholic Church “always” did. Case in point not to generalize “contraceptives”.

Because many prominent (in terms of air play) Catholic apologists are from Calvinist, Evangelical and/or fundamentalist backgrounds, they also tend to think of their own religious groups of origin as somehow being the authentic inheritors of the Reformation tradition and thus, that what they learned growing up or at seminary were essentially the same views that Martin Luther espoused and generally what all Protestant espouse. This causes a great deal of confusion and results in the spread of a lot of disinformation. What is often billed as a “Catholic v. Protestant” religious debate or comparison by apologists is usually in reality more of a “Catholic v. Evangelical” comparison. To compound matters even more, the average Evangelical or Mainline Protestant knows very little about the history of the Reformation or how the various branches of Reformation theology developed and what factors shaped the particular line of thinking and interpretation that any one particular group accepts today. So in their minds they represent the entirety of “Protestant” theology when in fact, their way of thinking in actuality only represents one particular (usually minority) strand of Protestant theology…

Ah back to the “many” “those” “they” “them” arguement. Wow your just assuming away in this paragraph.

Perhaps one could accurately assert that simply by the raw numbers (in the US only) that what you’ve laid out is what “most” Protestants believe (as in the plurality of non-Catholic Western Christians in the U.S.). But I don’t think you could even say that the “vast majority” of Protestants necessarily buy into what is essentially an Evangelical/Fundamentalist stereotype.

None believe in Matthew 16:13-19, Hows that better? A Truth not going away. I know its complicated. Some understand it different, and so goes the story of “They” “Them” and “Those” and from there, well its turns into utter chaos as we see.

 

[JustaServant]

Apparently some people missed the in the thread title.
Anyway, I would like to hear from Protestants as to when things began to go bad (in terms of liberalism and outright rejection of the Word of God) in your denomination. I’ve read only a few so far.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Since the Catholic Church is under scrutiny in the thread “When did the Catholic Church go bad?”, I thought it might be appropriate to ask when did the PROTESTANT religion go bad? Don’t take offense.
Many mainline denominations have tossed aside the Bible and embraced liberalism and relativity. What do you believe are the undercurrents of that shift?

When it was formed! :doh2:

Once you turn your back on the truth…well…

 

[JonNC]

Apparently some people missed the in the thread title.
Anyway, I would like to hear from Protestants as to when things began to go bad (in terms of liberalism and outright rejection of the Word of God) in your denomination. I’ve read only a few so far.

For American Lutherans, from my perspective, the biggest turn was not so much liberalism, but unionism. There has been a gradual acceptance of protestant beliefs and practices over the years. This is exampled by some Lutheran synods sharing altar and pulpit fellowship with heterodox communions, such as the UCC. Of course, one might say this is part and parcel of liberalism, but I’ll leave the semantics to others.

Jon