When Do You Think The New English Mass Translation Will Be Implemented in Your Country?

[jpjd]

I also expect to see, in the next 10 years or so, bishops being consecrated at an earlier age. I imagine many of the priests in their mid-30’s will be bishops in 10-15 years.

Nope, won’t happen. These men are too badly needed as priests to take them at their prime and make them bishops.

 

[jc-servant]

Nope, won’t happen. These men are too badly needed as priests to take them at their prime and make them bishops.

I think it is already happening. In Dallas our new bishop was installed yesterday and my pastor remarked that he is now older than his bishop for the 1st time ever. Bishop Farrell’s short bio says that he was born in 1947. Isn’t 59 or 60 fairly young for a bishop? Our last one just retired at the mandatory 75. I don’t know his actual age, but I thought the current bishop in Ft. Worth diocese also looked fairly young when he was installed.

 

[Unfinished]

I think it is already happening. In Dallas our new bishop was installed yesterday and my pastor remarked that he is now older than his bishop for the 1st time ever. Bishop Farrell’s short bio says that he was born in 1947. Isn’t 59 or 60 fairly young for a bishop? Our last one just retired at the mandatory 75. I don’t know his actual age, but I thought the current bishop in Ft. Worth diocese also looked fairly young when he was installed.

Our Bishop is in his 50s.

 

[japhy]

I’ll write a letter to my bishop every month, if I have to. And other bishops.

 

[Aramis]

Patience is called for. It’s the Pope and the Sacred Congregation on the Liturgy (A committee of the Grand Synod of the Roman Rite) that have to approve it… until they do, it’s not permitted for liturgical use, according to a couple of articles on the USCCB news feed.

 

[Cavaille-Coll]

But, there are some gems in there that while I approve of 100%, people will whine that it is “toooo hard”

I don’t see why people will have trouble saying “consubstantial.” After all, most Eastern Rite Catholics have been saying it this way for years. Then again, they aren’t allergic to incense either!

I’m sure that the new translations will come out in a few years, after Rome has revised them for the umpteenth time. Then, before they are promulgated, Rome will humour the USCCB by letting them “vote” on the translation. Sorry for the sarcasm, but that’s been the pattern with these things.

 

[Asperges_Me]

You did not give the option of 2008 which is when I’m expecting to see at least some changes. My parish music director is a composer and he is already working on new arrangements of the mass parts using the new language. We sang a few works in progress 2 weeks ago so that he could hear how they sounded with a full choir. He also told us to enjoy this go round with the mass parts we have been using for Easter season since he believes they will have changed by next Easter season. Just my corner of TX, but it appears that some folks are moving pretty fast.

Well I hope that all music for the new Mass translation remains faithful to the wording. It would be a shame to go through all of this only to have somebody like Haugen come along and start changing the words like he did with his “Mass of Creation”. Maybe make it so that if somebody wants to have something published in a Catholic Missalette that deviates from the text, then they have to get an indult from Cardinal Arinze.

 

[Convert_in_99]

:bigyikes: OH NO! Say it isn’t so! PLEASE!

I have SO many non-catholics in my family. They go to the catholic church often, my husband every sunday. They are confused enough, more changes are not good. :nope:

Does anyone out there know why they are doing this, and when this big change event will take place?

 

[japhy]

Does anyone out there know why they are doing this, and when this big change event will take place?

Because the Mass text is Latin originally, and when you translate it, you endanger its meaning. The current English Mass translation is oftentimes less-than-stellar.

There would be no problem if the Mass was said in Latin, since the Latin of the Novus Ordo hasn’t changed.

 

[Asperges_Me]

:bigyikes: OH NO! Say it isn’t so! PLEASE!

I have SO many non-catholics in my family. They go to the catholic church often, my husband every sunday. They are confused enough, more changes are not good. :nope:

Does anyone out there know why they are doing this, and when this big change event will take place?

Simply because the English Mass texts we use now are not true translations of the Mass in Latin which is really the “official text”. Many portions of the existing translations do not represent the historic Catholic faith that we have prayed for centuries. You would not want a personal letter sent to you in a foreign language translated incorrectly would you? The English texts we use today were hastily put together in the late 60’s, under a principle called dynamic equivalence. That’s just a fancy way of saying paraphrasing. For example, when the priest says “The Lord be With You”. We will now say “And with your spirit” instead of “And Also With You”. So instead of like saying casually “same to you Father”, we really mean “and also with the spirit that has entered you as a result of your priestly ordination”. That is more theologically correct.

 

[Convert_in_99]

Simply because the English Mass texts we use now are not true translations of the Mass in Latin which is really the “official text”. Many portions of the existing translations do not represent the historic Catholic faith that we have prayed for centuries. You would not want a personal letter sent to you in a foreign language translated incorrectly would you? The English texts we use today were hastily put together in the late 60’s, under a principle called dynamic equivalence. That’s just a fancy way of saying paraphrasing. For example, when the priest says “The Lord be With You”. We will now say “And with your spirit” instead of “And Also With You”. So instead of like saying casually “same to you Father”, we really mean “and also with the spirit that has entered you as a result of your priestly ordination”. That is more theologically correct.

I prefer the Latin language too. My “ideal” mass would be the N.O. mass in latin. That way all the churches throughout the world would pray in the same tongue. However, I am thankful that I can understand the readings, gospel, and homily in my own english tongue. I really like the EWTN mass. A little of both worlds.

However, now that this translation has been in effect for a quarter of a century, I am not sure if it is wise to change things again. I am afraid we’d loose too many of our already too few fellow Catholics attending mass.

I am fine with them going back, it’s just going to be a huge change, thus, we might loose a lot of our brothers and sisters, AGAIN. :crying: It will be like a Vatican 2.5!

Also, you try bringing a bunch of protestants to mass. I don’t know how John Paul II did it (evangelization.) God bless him! I sure miss him. :heaven:

 

[jc-servant]

Well I hope that all music for the new Mass translation remains faithful to the wording. It would be a shame to go through all of this only to have somebody like Haugen come along and start changing the words like he did with his “Mass of Creation”. Maybe make it so that if somebody wants to have something published in a Catholic Missalette that deviates from the text, then they have to get an indult from Cardinal Arinze.

Our music director submits his music for approval somewhere in Rome. I’m not sure which office it is but he did mention it once before because he wrote the entire Mass of St. Kilian for the dedication mass of our permanent church building in 2001 and a collection of psalms later.

It looked like he had used the approved “new” text when we sang through the draft for the new mass parts a couple of weeks ago. However, I guess the problems will come if everyone is not required to submit their music before using it during a liturgy or getting it published for use.