When does Justice go to Far and Become Unjust?

[Constantine_XI]

Hi, everybody…
Here is a question for thought: “When does Justice become in and of itself a crime against the Christian faith, and when does it truly become unjust?”
We all know of the death penalty and its existing structure of lethal injection, but does the death penalty really in any form (that is non-“lethal injection” methods") violate human rights or even the words of the Holy Scripture. Do certain methods exceed the reasonable bounds of justice and do certain methods act as crimes against the mission of human rights as supported by the Christian Community?
Thanks, and God Bless!

 

[quasimodo]

Hi, everybody…
Here is a question for thought: “When does Justice become in and of itself a crime against the Christian faith, and when does it truly become unjust?”
We all know of the death penalty and its existing structure of lethal injection, but does the death penalty really in any form (that is non-“lethal injection” methods") violate human rights or even the words of the Holy Scripture. Do certain methods exceed the reasonable bounds of justice and do certain methods act as crimes against the mission of human rights as supported by the Christian Community?
Thanks, and God Bless!

if they did it would no longer be justice, would it?

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Justice is actually fair treatment as a fair trial, whether guilty or not is outside of justice! Fair treatment means you receive the same treatment as other for the same act. When an authority treats people different the authority is unjust.

Making people suffer is never a form of justice, even if you do that to every person who committed the same act. To bring on suffering is never with in the authority of a man. Remember it is not what happens to you, but what you do that matters.

Capital Punishment is allowed when better options do not exist. Better options typically always exist, so the Popes now typically always advise not to use capital punishment.

clear?

 

[Sixtus]

Constatine posted

Here is a question for thought: “When does Justice become in and of itself a crime against the Christian faith, and when does it truly become unjust?”

In my humble opion when the system says ‘we have not got the offender but we have got someone who fits and as we need to get a result on this one, they will do. We will fit them up and send them to prison and justice will have been seen to have been done!’.

10% of UK Prison population are innocent but that is the price Englishman are prepared to pay rather than err on the other side and a guilty man go free

 

[rpp]

Legal abortion is an example of Justice becoming unjust. Yes, we must all be compassionate and concerned about women who are pregnant. This is particularly true if the circumstances are, from her point of view, less than ideal for whatever reason. But it is misplaced compassion on the part of courts and lawmakers to say she can kill her baby.

 

[Sixtus]

rpp posted:
Legal abortion is an example of Justice becoming unjust.

I was born with a very minor hormone problem. It has not made any difference to my life. Most people born with the same condition live all their lives die and never know the condition existed.

However, mothers who are carrying a child with this condition are being councilled into considering having it aborted on the premise that: ’ A child is entitled to a qualitative existence, therefore, It is not fair to bring a child into the world with this condition’!

If the vast majority do not even know they have it, how can medical people use it to justify an abortion?

It is human rights gone mad

 

[Riley259]

When a legitimate social justice issue such as treating gay people with respect and love becomes endorsing and allowing them to engage in homosexual relations and even getting married (to another of the same gender).

 

[AndyF]

Constantine…“When does Justice become in and of itself a crime against the Christian faith, and when does it truly become unjust?”

The method practiced now, that is specifically the non-reconciliation with pre-offending citizens, goes contrary to God’s precepts. Nor is this justfied under the claim for common good, has an evil cannot justify it. So it is unjust now in the form of this practice of decreed sin.

So at least in this society we do not have an ideal in practice, but evidence of blatant and obstinant ignoring of God’s wishes evidenced by our mistreatment of post offenders. This society makes the claim that power can overrule God’s wishes and comes to the wrong conclusion that He sanctions this attitude. It is born of the misconception by society that God shares His power with it, rather than subject to His rule.

We know that one in mortal sin by the definition, can obtain no credit for the good it does until it can correct it’s mortal ways and receive absolution. So it is with society. As it is right now any criminal can charge society with self righteousness, and that is true.

If there is any concern for the working of any system it is this. If God allows societies exception to collective eternal damnation, given the same factors and circumstances and rule of applied culpability an individual would be judged to deserve, then there is an injustice in Justice, that you can count on.

That to me would be a true horror, not only to man but to the Church, to discover nations collectively in the form they are recognized to have committed the sin, do not receive a just punishment collectively in that form.

AndyF

 

[Sagefrakrobatik]

"Like people who go about looking for what they have in their hands…we looked not at what we were seeking (justice) but at what was far off in the distance: and therefore, I suppose, we missed her.”

Socrates

 

[Ma.Eugenia]

Hi, everybody…
Here is a question for thought: “When does Justice become in and of itself a crime against the Christian faith, and when does it truly become unjust?”
We all know of the death penalty and its existing structure of lethal injection, but does the death penalty really in any form (that is non-“lethal injection” methods") violate human rights or even the words of the Holy Scripture. Do certain methods exceed the reasonable bounds of justice and do certain methods act as crimes against the mission of human rights as supported by the Christian Community?
Thanks, and God Bless!

Personally, I am against the death penalty. I am happy to say, that law has been scrapped in my country.

We don’t have a perfect justice system and there have been known incidents in some places in the world where the prisoner was found guilty and executed, only to find out later on that he/she was not guilty of the crime at all.

To me, when justice deals judgement to snuff out the life of an individual (even if that individual is a criminal), it goes against Christian faith because only God has the right to take away life.

Besides, criminals have been known to repent.

For example, in my country, the crime of kidnapping used to be punishable by death—now, not anymore.

A very religious friend of my dad had a dream urging him to look for a guy with a very specific, odd sounding name. His dream told him to look for the man in the prison.

He searched and searched for a person and eventually was told that there was one person with that odd sounding name there…he used to be a kidnapper, but now…he had converted and was leading his fellow inmates in Catholic prayer groups.

This just shows that it is possible for men who have done heinious crimes to still repent and do a 180 degree turn-around in their life.

 

[Ma.Eugenia]

Other ways justice can be unjust (and a crime against Christian faith) is when there is a more lenient rule applied for one person and a harsher rule applied to another for the same crime.

Justice should apply to all, but sometimes those with money have an easier access to justice.

Also, when there is a delay in resolving disputes. For example, an employee gets fired without the company following due process, yet a court case drags on and on for years. The employee does not have a job, has to spend whatever money he has left on paying the lawyer. The stress caused my the prolonged delay causes him to very sick. To me, in this case, justice delayed, is justice denied…so, even if justice procedures is being followed it is at the same time unjust.

I also agree with those who posted regarding abortion. In some places in this world, abortion and euthanasia are legal. However, no amount of laws lawmakers put out to legitimize these crimes against humanity can make them morally correct.