When was Jesus born?

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Nope. The identification of Qumran as a sectarian area doesn’t have anything to do with Jesus. Besides, the ‘Jesus is an Essene ergo Jesus was in Qumran’ is itself a fringe opinion among those who accept the ‘Essene settlement’ theory. 🤷
Josephus in Wars IV:7
7. And now the multitude were going to rise against them already; for Ananus, the ancientest of the high priests, persuaded them to it. He was a very prudent man, and had perhaps saved the city if he could but have escaped the hands of those that plotted against him. These men made the temple of God a strong hold for them, and a place whither they might resort, in order to avoid the troubles they feared from the people; the sanctuary was now become a refuge, and a shop of tyranny. They also mixed jesting among the miseries they introduced, which was more intolerable than what they did; for in order to try what surprise the people would be under, and how far their own power extended, they undertook to dispose of the high priesthood by casting lots for it, whereas, as we have said already, it was to descend by succession in a family. The pretense they made for this strange attempt was an ancient practice, while they said that of old it was determined by lot; but in truth, it was no better than a dissolution of an undeniable law, and a cunning contrivance to seize upon the government, derived from those that presumed to appoint governors as they themselves pleased.

Jesus as an Essene?
It not supported anywhere, but the inference is there. Jesus sells! Ever seen a picture of Jesus in a robe other than white? Me neither. Comes from the garb of the Essene.
 
Jesus as an Essene?
It not supported anywhere, but the inference is there. Jesus sells! Ever seen a picture of Jesus in a robe other than white? Me neither. Comes from the garb of the Essene.
Hey, didn’t we go through this like, two years ago? If you’ve never seen Jesus depicted as wearing anything other than white, you obviously aren’t familiar with historical Christian iconography. My current avatar pic - Jesus in purple - should be testimony to that. 😃

Besides, saying that Jesus is an Essene just because many artists show Him in white robes (never mind that not all artworks do so and that they are all just pious imagination - we don’t know exactly what Jesus looked like or what color His clothes actually were) and Essenes are said to favor white garments is weak. If wearing white is all it takes to be an Essene, I must be an Essene too since I tend to wear white t-shirts!
 
You got it wrong. I don’t think Jesus was an Essene.
The most common image is him in white. Purple? Linking him with Royalty?
And ME Archaeologists usually try to link a dig find with something biblical for press and funding purposes. There was no reason to think that Qumran was an Essenic settlement. But the idea was put forth, and it stuck. The Essene-Jesus link is a popular one.

Here is something to munch on, Patrick.
Was Jesus bald?
If he had long flowing locks, would it have a good thing to have Mary anoint his head with oil- even expensive oil?
 
Nope. The identification of Qumran as a sectarian area doesn’t have anything to do with Jesus. Besides, the ‘Jesus is an Essene ergo Jesus was in Qumran’ is itself a fringe opinion among those who accept the ‘Essene settlement’ theory. 🤷
I’m not sure it’s so fringe. Pope Benedict even mentions the Qumran link in his book “Jesus of Nazareth”. It is one of the common explanations for the discrepancy of the Passover meal in two of the gospels. 🤷
 
You got it wrong. I don’t think Jesus was an Essene.
The most common image is him in white.
Since at least about the 19th-20th century, there has been an increase in artworks showing Jesus in a white robe. Before that, what can really be called the ‘default’ colors for Jesus’ clothes are blue and/or red, and on much older pieces, even purple and gold/yellow. White can be observed in the earliest pieces of art and does occasionally crop up from century to century, but for most of the Christian era, thosese colors were the standard.

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Purple? Linking him with Royalty?
Yes. Christ the Pantocrator, Christ the King.
And ME Archaeologists usually try to link a dig find with something biblical for press and funding purposes. There was no reason to think that Qumran was an Essenic settlement. But the idea was put forth, and it stuck. The Essene-Jesus link is a popular one.
1.) Let’s start with the core question: why is Qumran not a sectarian settlement? If it wasn’t, then what do you think it was?

2.) Again, no, the Dead Sea Scrolls and Qumran and Masada were not found and excavated with Jesus directly in mind. Tell that rather to the people who try to sell Jesus’ crucifixion nails on EBay. 🤷 😃

3.) Jodi Magness in The Archaeology of Qumran and the Dead Sea Scrolls actually talks a bit about these ‘popular’ (which here should be really taken as the word ‘popular’ in ‘popular media’ ;)) theories (p. 15-16):

The alternative interpretations of Qumran have received much more publicity than the traditional interpretation. In my opinion, there are at least two reasons for this. First, scandal and controversy sell. For this reason, books and articles suggesting that Qumran was not a sectarian settlement and those which describe Vatican or scholarly conspiracies or claim that Jesus lived in Qumran have been highly publicized. This reflects the media-oriented and sensationalistic nature of our society. Second, we tend to side with the underdogs or minority cause. This feeds into a common perception of academics as being isolated and out of touch in their ivory towers.

In addition, we have developed a reluctance to be critical even when the criticism is constructive. Ironically, this is one outcome of the diversity of our society, in which we encourage and celebrate different backgrounds and views. For these reasons, in the minds of many people, different views and opinions should be given equal weight and any interpretation that challenged accepted scholarly concensus must be valid. Challenges to accepted scholarly concensus can be good because they force us to reexamine our assumptions (and sometimes cause us to change our interpretations). However, just because an interpretation happens to represent scholarly concensus does not mean it is wrong. The notion that all interpretations are equally valid is inherently flawed because Qumran could not have been a sectarian settlement and a villa and a manor house and a fort and a commercial entrepot! There can only be one correct interpretation, which is supported by a preponderance of evidence.

I find myself – an American Jewish woman – in the curious position of defending the interpretation proposed by de Vaux, who was a French Dominican priest! But this book is not about my personal beliefs and background or de Vaux’s. It is about the archaeological evidence. Obviously, de Vaux’s interpretation of Qumran was influenced by his background (who isn’t?). De Vaux’s bias is evident in his use of monastic terms to describe some of the rooms and installations at Qumran (such as “refectory” and “scriptorium”). But the objections raised by de Vaux’s critics have obscured the fact that his interpretation of the site is basically correct.
Here is something to munch on, Patrick.
Was Jesus bald?
If he had long flowing locks, would it have a good thing to have Mary anoint his head with oil- even expensive oil?
Well, can only a bald person be anointed?
 
I’m not sure it’s so fringe. Pope Benedict even mentions the Qumran link in his book “Jesus of Nazareth”. It is one of the common explanations for the discrepancy of the Passover meal in two of the gospels. 🤷
There is a distinction between positing a connection between Jesus and the Essenes and Jesus and Qumran.
 
There is a distinction between positing a connection between Jesus and the Essenes and Jesus and Qumran.
The pope doesn’t seem to see a distinction between the two. He indicates that Jesus followed the Qumran calendar, and kept the Essene Passover celebration with no meat.

“The Dead Sea Scrolls, discovered in 1947, were attributed by historians and biblical scholars to the Essenes, a strict sect that split from the Jerusalem priesthood and settled in Qumran, on the shores of the Dead Sea.”

The pope said “[Jesus] celebrated Easter with his disciples probably according to the Qumran calendar” and “Jesus celebrated Passover without a lamb, as did the Essene community,” [which did not sacrifice animals]. “Instead of the lamb he offered himself, he offered his life.”
 
The pope doesn’t seem to see a distinction between the two. He indicates that Jesus followed the Qumran calendar, and kept the Essene Passover celebration with no meat.

“The Dead Sea Scrolls, discovered in 1947, were attributed by historians and biblical scholars to the Essenes, a strict sect that split from the Jerusalem priesthood and settled in Qumran, on the shores of the Dead Sea.”

The pope said “[Jesus] celebrated Easter with his disciples probably according to the Qumran calendar” and “Jesus celebrated Passover without a lamb, as did the Essene community,” [which did not sacrifice animals]. “Instead of the lamb he offered himself, he offered his life.”
No, what I mean is that the idea that Jesus has some connection with Essenes is not necessarily equivalent with thinking that Jesus was physically at Qumran.
 
bmullins,

I would suggest you go back to Pope Benedict’s book “Jesus of Nazareth Holy Week” and read pages 110 and 111. The pope is not saying that Jesus follwed the Qumran calander but he is quoting a French scholar, Annie Jaubert. It is Jaubert who holds that Jesus was following the Qumran calander in her attempts to given an accurate day for the “Last Supper”. Actual, Benedict XVI rejects this idea.
 
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