When was requirement that wine be from grapes first stated?

[Digitonomy]

After reading another thread, I am curious as to when it was first stated that wine used at mass must be that of grapes.

I think it’s a pretty safe bet that most if not all references to wine in the Bible depict grape wine, although it is not always clearly stated. So another way to put the question is when did someone first think it necessary to clarify what was the obvious practice?

 

[benedictgal]

After reading another thread, I am curious as to when it was first stated that wine used at mass must be that of grapes.

I think it’s a pretty safe bet that most if not all references to wine in the Bible depict grape wine, although it is not always clearly stated. So another way to put the question is when did someone first think it necessary to clarify what was the obvious practice?

During the Last Supper Jesus told the Apostles that he would not drink of the fruit of the vine again until he drank it anew in His Father’s House.

 

[Digitonomy]

During the Last Supper Jesus told the Apostles that he would not drink of the fruit of the vine again until he drank it anew in His Father’s House.

That’s pretty good.

Of course his actions at the Last Supper aren’t necessarily binding precedents necessary for validity, or else leavened bread would be invalid.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

After reading another thread, I am curious as to when it was first stated that wine used at mass must be that of grapes.

I think it’s a pretty safe bet that most if not all references to wine in the Bible depict grape wine, although it is not always clearly stated. So another way to put the question is when did someone first think it necessary to clarify what was the obvious practice?

I’d have to look it up again but I had read a letter from a Bishop in Greenland as the Pope if it would be ok for him to use a local non-grape wine, or grain (I don’t remember which it was) since grapes or wheat didn’t grow there and the could not get a supply ship in for a year. the answer was no. This was near the beginning of the second millennium, a thousand years ago they were dealing with this. During the early exploration of north America the question also came up. because no wheat was available but corn was available. The answer was, No. Raisin wine was permitted, soaking dried grapes in water and allowing it to ferment.

 

[Digitonomy]

I’d have to look it up again but I had read a letter from a Bishop in Greenland as the Pope if it would be ok for him to use a local non-grape wine, or grain (I don’t remember which it was) since grapes or wheat didn’t grow there and the could not get a supply ship in for a year. the answer was no. This was near the beginning of the second millennium

Excellent. Let me know if you uncover a reference on this.

I bet it took him almost a year to get a response to his letter.

 

[Nan_S]

I’d have to look it up again but I had read a letter from a Bishop in Greenland as the Pope if it would be ok for him to use a local non-grape wine, or grain (I don’t remember which it was) since grapes or wheat didn’t grow there and the could not get a supply ship in for a year. the answer was no. This was near the beginning of the second millennium, a thousand years ago they were dealing with this. During the early exploration of north America the question also came up. because no wheat was available but corn was available. The answer was, No. Raisin wine was permitted, soaking dried grapes in water and allowing it to ferment.

So when our first interplanetary family ship sets off to colonize Mars, I guess we’d better hope that Martian soil will be favorable for growing Chardonnay.
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Seriously, I’ve got to think that God would approve of an exception for a locally available substitute when wheat and grape-vines are unfeasible. Any other attitude would be Pharisee-ish in the worst way, holding so strictly to the letter of the law that the whole meaning behind the law is rendered moot.

 

[thistle]

So when our first interplanetary family ship sets off to colonize Mars, I guess we’d better hope that Martian soil will be favorable for growing Chardonnay.
planetsmilies.com/smilies/party/party0036.gif

Seriously, **I’ve got to think that God would approve of an exception **for a locally available substitute when wheat and grape-vines are unfeasible. Any other attitude would be Pharisee-ish in the worst way, holding so strictly to the letter of the law that the whole meaning behind the law is rendered moot.

God making exceptions is Protestant thinking!

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

I’d have to look it up again but I had read a letter from a Bishop in Greenland as the Pope if it would be ok for him to use a local non-grape wine, or grain (I don’t remember which it was) since grapes or wheat didn’t grow there and the could not get a supply ship in for a year. the answer was no. This was near the beginning of the second millennium, a thousand years ago they were dealing with this. During the early exploration of north America the question also came up. because no wheat was available but corn was available. The answer was, No. Raisin wine was permitted, soaking dried grapes in water and allowing it to ferment.

Here are the specifics. (my memory was not off too far)

It was Iceland.

It was in 1237

It was Bishop Nicholas.

It pertained to the grain (no wheat could be grown there) for the Hosts and a Local beer instead of wine (no grapes could be grown there)

The answer from the pope was NO, the celebration of Mass would have to depend on the arrival of supplies from Norway.