When we say 'Roman Catholic Church, what are we talking about?

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The way it was explained to me is that the term ‘roman’ refers to Catholics of the Latin rite. We are the majority in the Catholic Church (I don’t have the exact numbers at the moment) so the term Roman Catholic is widespread and people assume it means all Catholics. That is not correct. All other rites in the Catholic church are of course equally Catholic but not ‘Roman’ (Ie. they are not latin rite).
 
As this thread shows, different people have different opinions on how (or if) the term “Roman Catholic” should be used. Some use it for the Latin Rite Church exclusively because of the unique role of the Pope in it (though “Patriarch” is not currently among his formal titles; that’s more an Easternized view of the Western Church). Others use it for all Christians/Churches in communion with the bishop of Rome. Still others insist it correctly describes only the diocese of Rome and its members. Some Protestants use it specifically because they don’t want to call Catholics Catholic, so they must add some qualifying word to contradict the sense of universality. As this thread shows, some people feel very passionately that their particular idiom is correct and all others are false.

Because of all this I try to avoid the using term “Roman Catholic” entirely, while when I encounter it from someone else I try to identify what they mean by the term and avoid arguing over their choice of language.
 
Wow. I don’t understand why there is so much confusion. How are pre-converts like me ever going to get it right?
As this thread shows, different people have different opinions on how (or if) the term “Roman Catholic” should be used. Some use it for the Latin Rite Church exclusively because of the unique role of the Pope in it (though “Patriarch” is not currently among his formal titles; that’s more an Easternized view of the Western Church). Others use it for all Christians/Churches in communion with the bishop of Rome. Still others insist it correctly describes only the diocese of Rome and its members. Some Protestants use it specifically because they don’t want to call Catholics Catholic, so they must add some qualifying word to contradict the sense of universality. As this thread shows, some people feel very passionately that their particular idiom is correct and all others are wrong.

Because of all this I try to avoid the using term “Roman Catholic” entirely, while when I encounter it from someone else I try to identify what they most likely mean by it (a Protestant almost always means all Catholics and an Eastern Catholic almost always means Latin Rite Catholics exclusively, for example) and avoid arguing over their choice of language.
 
Some Protestants use it specifically because they don’t want to call Catholics Catholic, so they must add some qualifying word to contradict the sense of universality.
This is a good answer. I think someone else early on in this thread said something like the name “Roman Catholic” hadn’t been invented until the Protestant Revolution.
 
As this thread shows, different people have different opinions on how (or if) the term “Roman Catholic” should be used. Some use it for the Latin Rite Church exclusively because of the unique role of the Pope in it (though “Patriarch” is not currently among his formal titles; that’s more an Easternized view of the Western Church). Others use it for all Christians/Churches in communion with the bishop of Rome. Still others insist it correctly describes only the diocese of Rome and its members. Some Protestants use it specifically because they don’t want to call Catholics Catholic, so they must add some qualifying word to contradict the sense of universality. As this thread shows, some people feel very passionately that their particular idiom is correct and all others are wrong.

Because of all this I try to avoid the using term “Roman Catholic” entirely, while when I encounter it from someone else I try to identify what they most likely mean by it (a Protestant almost always means all Catholics and an Eastern Catholic almost always means Latin Rite Catholics exclusively, for example) and avoid arguing over their choice of language.
But the Church herself, and various dioceses around the world, do identify themselves as Roman Catholics.
 
Even Eastern Catholics? Yourself?
The flow of the conversation were about Latin Rite Catholics. Please read the context of my reply through the post I replied to.

Eastern Catholics NEVER would identify themselves as Roman Catholics.
 
Wow!! Even for this cradle Catholic this is confusing!!! :confused:🤷

And to top it off… Where I grew up (in the land of the ice and snow… New England), we called ourselves Roman Catholic. That was to tell people that we attended the Roman Catholic church in the town rather than the Russian Orthodox church in the same town. But then living in Boston, there were many people that referred to themselves at IRISH Catholics. And I know that was to mean they were from Irish decent, but attended the Roman Catholic / Latin Rite church in the city.

And you can see my confusion. Because I am of Italian decent so the “Roman” made sense to me. And the families that attended the Russian Orthodox church were of Russian decent.

Just my comment to add more confusion.

But what I am learning is that it has nothing to do with your Irish, Italian, Russian, etc decent or the language that the mass is done in. Right??? :confused::confused:
 
Wow!! Even for this cradle Catholic this is confusing!!! :confused:🤷

And to top it off… Where I grew up (in the land of the ice and snow… New England), we called ourselves Roman Catholic. That was to tell people that we attended the Roman Catholic church in the town rather than the Russian Orthodox church in the same town. But then living in Boston, there were many people that referred to themselves at IRISH Catholics. And I know that was to mean they were from Irish decent, but attended the Roman Catholic / Latin Rite church in the city.

And you can see my confusion. Because I am of Italian decent so the “Roman” made sense to me. And the families that attended the Russian Orthodox church were of Russian decent.

Just my comment to add more confusion.

But what I am learning is that it has nothing to do with your Irish, Italian, Russian, etc decent or the language that the mass is done in. Right??? :confused::confused:
The different names that prefix the name Catholic Church is to identify the sui juris Church within the Catholic Church. Its not about your lineage or ethnicity, although in many cases it would. Being Roman Catholic doesn’t mean you are Roman, but go to the Church who’s head Church is in Rome. Some Churches sound like they belong to a specific ethnic group our country because the name of their Church coincides with the name of the country today. Ukrainian, Hungarian, Belarusian, etc. Others are named after the name of the land or ethnic group from the time the Church was established hundreds or thousands of years ago, like Ruthenians, Melkites, Coptic, Chaldean, etc.
 
This is what you said:
But the Church herself, and various dioceses around the world, do identify themselves as Roman Catholics.
This was my reply:
Even Eastern Catholics? Yourself?
When you said “the Church herself” your talking about the entire Catholic Church, right? And so I asked if that includes all Catholics, even Eastern, if they identify themselves as Roman Catholics.
 
This is what you said:

This was my reply:

When you said “the Church herself” your talking about the entire Catholic Church, right? And so I asked if that includes all Catholics, even Eastern, if they identify themselves as Roman Catholics.
I was just saying that when you quoted my post, it was in response into an earlier post which the context of our conversation was about the Latin Rite Church. So when I said, “the Church herself,” I was referring to the Roman Church.
 
Very Good Question, Myself I feel Blessed to have been bought up within generations of functional devote Catholic families on my mothers and fathers side. Gods Children I believe. Blessing of the Sacrements that ties to Jesus Christ and Peter.

Years later in the same parish I can first remember the feeling of the presence of God and the consciousness of the Mysteries Painted of the walls. Hand painted Murals of St Michael, the Blessed Mother and Christ and most of all the center on the Cross, and of course the body and blood of Christ. The conversations with the Sisters and Priests. I actually miss the sisters. What amazing Faith. I was looking at St Teresa of Avila and her mural a couple weeks ago at Mass. And I thought God is still sending us such Gifted people and messages.

Shame the economy has reached a point where the Sisters teaching is not even a reality anymore.

I was left humbled as a child and the experince taught me to get over myself and value what the Truth is and who’s in charge here. And that we live by Gods Mercy by the moment. And there are way to many in need today. We eat great here in the USA and others are reduced to what we throw them as crumbs. For some there isn’t even water.

Sad also that when God truly does send a messanger we take them for granted. maybe next time we’ll believe the visionary and have the state of mind to see Truth when its standing in front of us.

I count my Blessings also when I take a good look around. Theres so many in need here in the US and its just gets worse and worse as you look around.

Dysfunctional Families has become a norm in the US. Immoral sex and every other abomination you can imagine is rampant. And we live whats called well.

God Bless, Gary
 
I was just saying that when you quoted my post, it was in response into an earlier post which the context of our conversation was about the Latin Rite Church. So when I said, “the Church herself,” I was referring to the Roman Church.
Ooops, sorry about the mix up. :o
 
It is easy to “just say no” to personal use of “Roman Catholic” rather use Catholic for the universal Church. There are some other titles which use Roman or Rome which are actually used by the Catholic Church.
 
Very Good Question, Myself I feel Blessed to have been bought up within generations of functional devote Catholic families on my mothers and fathers side. Gods Children I believe. Blessing of the Sacrements that ties to Jesus Christ and Peter.

Years later in the same parish I can first remember the feeling of the presence of God and the consciousness of the Mysteries Painted of the walls. Hand painted Murals of St Michael, the Blessed Mother and Christ and most of all the center on the Cross, and of course the body and blood of Christ. The conversations with the Sisters and Priests. I actually miss the sisters. What amazing Faith. I was looking at St Teresa of Avila and her mural a couple weeks ago at Mass. And I thought God is still sending us such Gifted people and messages.

Shame the economy has reached a point where the Sisters teaching is not even a reality anymore.

I was left humbled as a child and the experince taught me to get over myself and value what the Truth is and who’s in charge here. And that we live by Gods Mercy by the moment. And there are way to many in need today. We eat great here in the USA and others are reduced to what we throw them as crumbs. For some there isn’t even water.

Sad also that when God truly does send a messanger we take them for granted. maybe next time we’ll believe the visionary and have the state of mind to see Truth when its standing in front of us.

I count my Blessings also when I take a good look around. Theres so many in need here in the US and its just gets worse and worse as you look around.

Dysfunctional Families has become a norm in the US. Immoral sex and every other abomination you can imagine is rampant. And we live whats called well.

God Bless, Gary
I agree with your post. When I hear about it I think if the center of faith and inspiration for all people such as the saints and of course, the passion of our Lord.
 
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