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Six years ago I began the RCIA classes, I didn’t complete initiation, but did make it as far as receiving the oil on my forehead, I believe this is called chrismed. I was baptized in my former faith, Baptist, so I’m not strictly called a catechumen. I would like to know if I am considered catholic in the sense an infant is baptized yet w out receiving all the sacraments …I have returned to the church and am now attending RCIA, so either way ill be there this coming up Easter, but when the subject gets brought up I consider myself catholic due to my understanding and acceptance of what and why the church teaches. So am I consider catholic due to my earlier chrism or not?..
 
Six years ago I began the RCIA classes, I didn’t complete initiation, but did make it as far as receiving the oil on my forehead, I believe this is called chrismed. I was baptized in my former faith, Baptist, so I’m not strictly called a catechumen. I would like to know if I am considered catholic in the sense an infant is baptized yet w out receiving all the sacraments …I have returned to the church and am now attending RCIA, so either way ill be there this coming up Easter, but when the subject gets brought up I consider myself catholic due to my understanding and acceptance of what and why the church teaches. So am I consider catholic due to my earlier chrism or not?..
I think you must have been received into the Church through a profession of faith. Did you do that?

“Those who have been validly baptized outside the Catholic Church become Catholics by making a profession of the Catholic faith and being formally received into the Church. This is normally followed immediately by confirmation and the Eucharist.”


“For those who have been instructed in the Christian faith and have lived as Christians the situation is different. The U.S. Conference of Bishops states: “Those baptized persons who have lived as Christians and need only instruction in the Catholic tradition and a degree of probation within the Catholic community should not be asked to undergo a full program parallel to the catechumenate” (NSC 31). For this reason they should not share in the same, full RCIA programs that catechumens do.”

"The timing of their reception into the Church is also different. The U.S. Conference of Bishops states: “It is preferable that reception into full communion not take place at the Easter Vigil lest there be any confusion of such baptized Christians with the candidates for baptism, possible misunderstanding of or even reflection upon the sacrament of baptism celebrated in another Church or ecclesial community . . . " (NSC 33).”

"Rather than being received on Easter Vigil, “[t]he reception of candidates into the communion of the Catholic Church should ordinarily take place at the Sunday Eucharist of the parish community, in such a way that it is understood that they are indeed Christian believers who have already shared in the sacramental life of the Church and are now welcomed into the Catholic Eucharistic community . . . " (NSC 32).”

ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/HOW2.htm

“For those who are already Christians, their baptism itself forms a certain sacramental relationship with the Church (cf. Vatican II, Unitatis Redintegratio 3; Catechism of the Catholic Church 1271).”

catholic.com/documents/how-to-become-a-catholic
 
You speak of yourself as ‘chrismed’ but do not mention having received the Sacrament of Confirmation.
Are you referring to The Rite of Welcoming the Candidates, in which you received a sign of the cross on your forehead?
If you did not proceed beyond that you are still a Candidate, not yet received into the Church, which will occur in Easter.
 
Ok, yes, it was a cross on my forehead. So no I don’t believe I was confirmed, yet I realize I am not a catechumen, these replies will give me enough understanding to speak w the priest…they usually have u wait till Easter vigil any way, and I don’t have an issue w waiting, my wife is a cradle catholic of the sort, but wasn’t properly instructed by her parents, so its like were being received together. I just long for the eucharist. Thank you guys for your replies, ill he speaking with Fr. Muller morrow evening…
 
May God continue to bless you and your wife.🙂
How wonderful that you have welcomed these graces with the courage it surely requires, and lovely that you can help to accompany your wife to deeper understanding of shared Catholic faith.
 
May God continue to bless you and your wife.🙂
How wonderful that you have welcomed these graces with the courage it surely requires, and lovely that you can help to accompany your wife to deeper understanding of shared Catholic faith.
Most defenantly, I stepped down from my walk due to personal doubts, not doubting the faith, but my intentions, I was dating a catholic about the same time personal things had been revealed, her and her family were a great support bc all the ppl of my former faith couldn’t explain, or denied what I was goin thru, but I still couldn’t shake my mind from thinking I was doing it out of infatuation of the girl I was dating. We broke up and life went on, I git pretty sour towards religion itself, yet when I consider picking things back up I couldn’t take my mind off the church. One day after several months if my wife searching, she said she would just as well go to the catholic church since that’s what she was baptized in, it lit a fire inside, I grabbed my catechism, joined this forum, and honestly didn’t know she had a catholic past. It feels good to be home and to share it w my immediate family. I have been explaining baptism to our daughters, and though they are kind of too old for us to have them baptized, to what they understand they both want to join Gods family…I do consider myself catholic, but have always explained my situation, most Catholics accept my confession, but I was looking for something from strangers, they tend to be more honest…
 
Six years ago I began the RCIA classes, I didn’t complete initiation, but did make it as far as receiving the oil on my forehead, I believe this is called chrismed. I was baptized in my former faith, Baptist, so I’m not strictly called a catechumen. I would like to know if I am considered catholic in the sense an infant is baptized yet w out receiving all the sacraments …I have returned to the church and am now attending RCIA, so either way ill be there this coming up Easter, but when the subject gets brought up I consider myself catholic due to my understanding and acceptance of what and why the church teaches. So am I consider catholic due to my earlier chrism or not?..
please inquire at that former parish, as they will have a record. If you were anointed with chrism, that happens only in baptism and confirmation, and would have included a profession of faith.

You may have been anointed with the oil of catechumens at some point, although properly that should only be for the unbaptized since your baptism was your first anointing, but maybe it was an oversight.

What happens now is you proceed with RCIA until you make up whatever you missed the first time, and are brought into full communion with the Catholic Church through profession of faith, confirmation and reception of the Eucharist (preceeded by sacramental confession). This may be at Easter, or at another time if the priest decides you are ready sooner.

Welcome home
 
@ puzzleannie- I do believe there were a few misunderstandings, they were well knowledgable catholic family, but I do remember her mom referring to me as a catechumen, so in their defense I’m sure they didn’t deal w a lot of converts, I do believe I was welcomed into the church, but that’s as far as I had gotten, yet I am well studied on the basics, so I’m goin in to the classes w a heads up and fuller understanding. I’ll get in touch w the previous parish to see about a sacramental record, but I’m sure it wasn’t confirmation…
 
You will be received into full membership of the Catholic Church when you are confirmed at the Easter vigil service. Once anointed, you are a candidate and once you have attended the Rite of Election, you are (one of) the elect. Enjoy.
 
You will be received into full membership of the Catholic Church when you are confirmed at the Easter vigil service. Once anointed, you are a candidate and once you have attended the Rite of Election, you are (one of) the elect. Enjoy.
So why then as opposed from a post above (as I have read from numerous other sources)
Do they still put baptized converts thru the same initiation as the catechumens? I briefly spoke with an instructor this evening explaining my work schedule and what not, and explained I had been thru most the classes once and am a step ahead of the instructor (not smarter I mean I knew the answers for practices so on) but when I told her I was wanting to wait and join with my wife rather than being assessed and brought in to communion separate from the catechumens, which is stated to be preferred to reduce confusion, she kinda looked at me as though she had no idea what I was talking about…is this something laity doesn’t really know about, or has Easter vigil just become the convenient practice so they dump us in one pill?..I’m indifferent, just curious…
 
So why then as opposed from a post above (as I have read from numerous other sources)
Do they still put baptized converts thru the same initiation as the catechumens? I briefly spoke with an instructor this evening explaining my work schedule and what not, and explained I had been thru most the classes once and am a step ahead of the instructor (not smarter I mean I knew the answers for practices so on) but when I told her I was wanting to wait and join with my wife rather than being assessed and brought in to communion separate from the catechumens, which is stated to be preferred to reduce confusion, she kinda looked at me as though she had no idea what I was talking about…is this something laity doesn’t really know about, or has Easter vigil just become the convenient practice so they dump us in one pill?..I’m indifferent, just curious…
It’s unfortunate that it happens that way but for most parishes it’s logistics – they simply don’t have enough catechists to do the ideal.

Ideally, cathechumens should be in the catechumenate for a full year and baptized Christians should be brought into full communion as soon as they are ready. That means running two separate programs and in most parishes there are just not enough people to do that.
 
In my area, the catechumens and candidates all seem to be in RCIA the same length of time and initiated at the Easter Vigil.:confused: I assumed this was the norm. But us candidates didn’t have a cross put on our foreheads at the Rite of Acceptance and Welcoming. Isn’t this the way most parishes do it?
 
In my area, the catechumens and candidates all seem to be in RCIA the same length of time and initiated at the Easter Vigil.:confused: I assumed this was the norm. But us candidates didn’t have a cross put on our foreheads at the Rite of Acceptance and Welcoming. Isn’t this the way most parishes do it?
This is my second time time thru, and in different parishes, so it seems the norm here in “alabamer”. It’s not a big complaint on my end, but I as a convert (not catechumen) will be receiving the rite of welcoming again along w the catechumens, if there are any, its a lot harder to look at someone and tell they were baptized than a Jewish male…
 
The RCIA process is not only for the unbaptized, but for the baptized who need catechesis. As other posters have stated, most parishes simply don’t have the resources to offer a separate course of preparation for the baptized and unbaptized. In my experience, the rites themselves may differ, but the participants, no matter their baptismal status, generally need the same catechesis. Sometimes the baptized have a more difficult time than the unbaptized, because of their struggles to “let go” of some of their prior incorrect beliefs. And sometimes the baptized know less about, or have more misunderstandings about, Catholicism than the unbaptized do.

Most Catholics in the pews are confused about what the participants are called and about the Rites. It is required that a clear distinction between the baptized and unbaptized be maintained during the formal rites, but during the catechesis, the baptized and unbaptized can learn together.

for the unbaptized:

Period 1: ***Period of Inquiry or Pre-Evangelization ***(participants are called Inquirers).
Period 2: Period of the Catechumenate (commitment to learning about the faith and Catholic lifestyle). Participants have the Rite of Acceptance, during which they are marked with the Sign of the Cross on their foreheads, and they become Catechumens.
Period 3: Period of Purification and Enlightenment (generally during the season of Lent, which still includes catechesis but involves deeper spiritual preparation for the sacraments). On or about the First Sunday of Lent, participants have the Rite of Sending in the parish, and then the Rite of Election with the bishop, and then they are called the Elect. During this period, there are other minor rites for the Elect, including the Scrutinies, Presentation of the Lord’s Prayer, and Presentation of the Creed.
Period 4: Period of Mystagogy (upon receiving the sacraments of initiation (Baptism, Confirmation and First Holy Communion). This period helps participants to apply the mysteries of the faith to their daily lives asnew Catholics. They are also called Neophytes (for one year).

for uncatechized but baptized Christians:

Period 1: Period of Inquiry. Many of the baptized don’t need this period once they decide to proceed. The pastor or RCIA leader helps to assess where the individuals are in the understanding and living of the faith.
Period 2: Period of the Catechumenate. Baptized participants are not called catechumens, but they still participate in the process, which is also called the “Catechumenate.” The Rite of Welcoming of Candidates is optional and it is up to individual pastors to offer it to the candidates. During this rite, the participants also receive a Sign of the Cross on their foreheads. Catholics who need Confirmation and First Eucharist are called Candidates for Confirmation and Eucharist. Non-Catholics who are validly baptized are called Candidates for Full Communion, or more technically, "Candidates for catechetical instruction leading to full communion of the Catholic Church”.
Period 3: Period of Purification and Enlightenment. Candidates may participate in the Rite of the Call to Continuing Conversion, usually on or about the First Sunday of Lent, but it is an optional rite and is at the discretion of the pastor. Another optional minor rite, usually the Second Sunday of Lent, is the Penitential Rite. Candidates are still called Candidates. They’re already part of the Elect because they are baptized, so they don’t participate in the Rite of Election with the unbaptized.
Period 4: Period of Mystagogy. (see above). After the unbaptized are baptized, non-Catholic Candidates make a profession of faith during the Rite of Reception. Afterwards, the newly-baptized and the candidates are Confirmed and receive First Eucharist (if they are celebrating the sacraments of initiation during the same Mass)
 
So why then as opposed from a post above (as I have read from numerous other sources)
Do they still put baptized converts thru the same initiation as the catechumens? …
“they” don’t do this unless they don’t know or don’t care what they are doing

the RCIA is explicit on separating the baptized from the unbaptized during the preparation and the rites and preserving the special character of the baptized, even when combined rites are used.

the only way to answer these specific questions is to consult the RCIA ritual book. Participants should not worry about it, but go with the flow and make sure you have discussed every aspect of your personal situation with the pastor and RCIA director–baptismal status, previous faith affiliation, marital status, and so forth.
 
So why then as opposed from a post above (as I have read from numerous other sources)
Do they still put baptized converts thru the same initiation as the catechumens? I briefly spoke with an instructor this evening explaining my work schedule and what not, and explained I had been thru most the classes once and am a step ahead of the instructor (not smarter I mean I knew the answers for practices so on) but when I told her I was wanting to wait and join with my wife rather than being assessed and brought in to communion separate from the catechumens, which is stated to be preferred to reduce confusion, she kinda looked at me as though she had no idea what I was talking about…is this something laity doesn’t really know about, or has Easter vigil just become the convenient practice so they dump us in one pill?..I’m indifferent, just curious…
This docuement may help to understand (from Salt Lake):

dioslc.org/images/schools/diocesan%20policy%20for%20catholic%20schools/instruction%20and%20programs/Sacramental%20Directives%20pastoral%20directives%202009.pdf
 
@ vico, thanks. This is the more specific explanation I’m looking for.

All you guys have been a great help…
 
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