Where did we go wrong?

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Deacon_Ed_B said:
What are you doing to seek out domestic organizations or religious orders that are involved in this. What are you doing to accomplish this. What is your involvement.
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Deacon Ed B
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At least my own fair share. I go door to door especially in those areas where there tends to be greater number the non-church goers live. If they don’t want to talk, I just a Catholic tract.

If the domestic organizations or religious order that are involved in this exist, it is not apparent. Out of sight out of mind comes to mind. If they are out of sight and out of mind, do they really exist?
 
Have you inquired through your Chancery office or even with your pastor.
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Have you inquired through your Chancery office
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We don’t have one, and I don’t even think anyone one has one in the tri-county area. If there is one, its no doubt 200 miles away in the arch-diocese. And in the 17 years of reading our Weekly Magazine which comes form 200 miles away, there is never been a mention of such office.
or even with your pastor.
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:rotfl: He is a joke in my personal opinion. He believes too much in a pathetic passive approach. He believes in letting people come to us via “watching how we live and conduct our lives” And yes I did ask him. He doesn’t know. He does not even believe in Apologetics. He believes people should see that we are the true church by “watching how we live and conduct our lives”

They will know we are christians by our love by our love.
Passive, Passive, Passive.
 
DustinsDad said:
Tell me.

Finish this statement:

Ecumenism is A movement promoting unity among Christian churches or denominations.DD
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**Which sounds more like the end result will require COMPROMISING. **

**I don’t see how any semblance of unity can happen without compromises on both sides. **
**Ask the Muslims to compromize or even the Jews to compromize? **
 
JoeyWarren said:
Ecumenism is A movement promoting unity among Christian churches or denominations…
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So it’s a movement.

What sorts of actions involve the movement?

Does this movement involve the call to conversion to the One True Church - to that Unity of Faith in the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church?

And if the “movement” does not include the actual call to folks outside the One True Church to to enter the unity of the One True Church, then I submit that it is indeed a movement that is, at it’s core, a "passive approach and hope (that) people come to us by osmosis and observation."
JoeyWarren said:
Which sounds more like the end result will require COMPROMISING.

**I don’t see how any semblance of unity can happen without compromises on both sides. **

**Ask the Muslims to compromize or even the Jews to compromize? **
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Truth can’t be compromized my friend. The Holy Spirit won’t let it happen.

It is the Holy Spirit that makes the seemingly impossible happen…that is true and authentic conversion of souls to the One True Church of Jesus Christ - the Catholic Church. And such conversions to happen even today despite the modern approach to ecumenism.

If we attempt (in all futility) to compromise Truth in order to win converts (which isn’t the explicit goal of the modern approach to ecumenism anyway according to folks such as Cardinal Kasper), then all we do is put human roadblocks in the way of conversion - since it is unchanging Truth that draws folks anyway.

Compromise on truth is self defeating - and a violation of the Great Commision of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Real ecumenical dialogue is, as a good priest once said, telling those outside the Church to “Repent and be baptized and enter the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside of which there is no salvation!”

At least slip such a call in all that dialoguing SOMEWHERE!

Lord have mercy on us all,

DustinsDad
 
JoeyWarren said:
He [pastor] believes in letting people come to us via “watching how we live and conduct our lives” And yes I did ask him. He doesn’t know. He does not even believe in Apologetics. He believes people should see that we are the true church by “watching how we live and conduct our lives”

They will know we are christians by our love by our love.
Passive, Passive, Passive.
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That is not passive, it is active. Living an authentic Catholic life provides a very strong witness to the Faith. It is one of the ways that the early Christians evangelized. Not everyone can be a St. Paul; some of us have different gifts.

Spreading tracts - as you apparently choose to do - is only *one *way of evangelizing out of many. Some Catholics choose to pray the rosary outside abortion clinics, others work at their local food shelters, some work in prison ministry, others are involved with RCIA … the list goes on and on.

I think your problem is that you don’t think people are evangelizing in the way that *you *are most comfortable with. If this is your preferred way to “spread the good news” that’s great! But it’s not the only way.
 
tcraig said:
…Living an authentic Catholic life provides a very strong witness to the Faith. It is one of the ways that the early Christians evangelized. Not everyone can be a St. Paul; some of us have different gifts.

Spreading tracts - as you apparently choose to do - is only *one *way of evangelizing out of many. Some Catholics choose to pray the rosary outside abortion clinics, others work at their local food shelters, some work in prison ministry, others are involved with RCIA … the list goes on and on.

I think your problem is that you don’t think people are evangelizing in the way that *you *are most comfortable with. If this is your preferred way to “spread the good news” that’s great! But it’s not the only way.
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The explicit call to conversion is important - and I also agree with the above as well.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad
 
I think your problem is that you don’t think people are evangelizing in the way that *you *are most comfortable with. If this is your preferred way to “spread the good news” that’s great! But it’s not the only way.
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No I think the problem is that we are not evangelizing in the way the church did for most of it’s history.

And you are right, it is not the only way. One way is active and other ways are passive.

Some where along the way the church stop being active evangelists and went to being passive evangelists.

We have become way to complacent and passive.

My preferred way is the Churches’ traditional way. Passive is not traditional. Passive is modern.
 
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