Where do you stand on the Culture of Life?

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There are two ways, one of life and one of death, but a great difference between the two ways. The way of life, then, is this: First, you shall love God who made you; second, love your neighbor as yourself, and do not do to another what you would not want done to you. And of these sayings the teaching is this: Bless those who curse you, and pray for your enemies, and fast for those who persecute you. For what reward is there for loving those who love you? Do not the Gentiles do the same? - Didache
 
I’m against them all - however, some are worse than others.
 
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I’m against them all - however, some are worse than others.
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Hello along the path of Life! Jesus was the way, the truth and the life. Your are truly on the way to eternal life. Cheers!
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Most of the questions are pretty cut and dried - The Magisterium of the Church has given clear guidence on these for the last 2,000 years:

Contraception & Sterilization
Abortion
Infanticide
Euthanasia
and
Suicide

So, anyone who doesn’t oppose them is opposing the Teaching Authority and the Tradition of the Church.

Just War Doctrine hasn’t been as well taught or as well documented as those above, and people can argue that a given War is Just/Unjust using the Same Doctrine as happened with the Iraq War (that’s why I also believe people needed to look at Aquinas and his section on the the REGICIDE OF THE UNJUST RULER WHO FEARS NEITHER GOD NOR MAN).
War (outside the Just War Doctrine) therefore isn’t as well understood as we’d like it too be. That may be because that, side by side with the Just War Doctrine, there’s been a Doctrine of PACIFISM in the Church, esp. the early Church which refused to resist the most unjust attacks against her members.

The Church, historically, was a SUPPORTER OF Capital Punishment for Murder AND OTHER CAPITAL CRIMES from the time of the Emporer Constantine until the 20th Century. Also, Capital Punishement for Murder is the only Commandment MANDATED in ALL 5 Books of the Torah - Even Pope John Paul II chose to place Capital Punishment (when society is protected) in the area of OPINION, not Dogma or Doctrine - Remember, the original Hebrew in the 10 Commandments would be more accurately translated, “You shall not deliberately murder the INNOCENT.” You can ask StillSmallVoice for confirmation if you wish.

The purpose of punishment is to PUNISH and to ensure that JUSTICE IS DONE and not just to protect society. If that were the case, the Hebrews wouldn’t have been repeatedly commanded to take the lives of murderers. Punishment demonstrates the value that we place on something (In this case, human life). That’s why the Torah says that the only thing as valuble as life is life itself, not freedom, not money, but life itself. That was taught from the time the Torah was written (By Moses for Orthodox Jews), and taught by the Church which acknowledged the right of the Roman Empire (and later Civil Authority) to apply the Penalty.

Remember, with both JUST WAR and CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, we are DEFENDING the WEAK AND THE POWERLESS against Agressors who would take their lives or who have taken their lives. This makes those different than ALL of the other things on the LIST (with the exception of suicide) which are some of those assaults on the weak and the powerless.

Blessings and Peace, Michael
 
When did the CC start teaching that we have to love our neighbors as ourselves? When were we told that we are to love, not just those that love us, but also those that do not love us?
 
Didn’t the Lord Himself command that we attempt to love others as ourselves? Isn’t that one of His 2 commandments when He refined the meaning of the Mosaic commandments?
 
Love our neighbor as ourselves. Leviticus 19:34. Matthew 22:39.

Told to love not just those we love, but those we don’t. . . Matthew
5:44, Luke 6:37
 
I’m not quite sure what is meant here:

Capital Punishment (when society is protected)
  1. Do you mean do we oppose capital punishment when society is already protected and capital punishment is for other purposes?
  2. or do you mean capital punishment when society is protected because of capital punishement?
Based on the context I would guess you mean option #1, but just want to be sure.
 
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I’m not quite sure what is meant here:

Capital Punishment (when society is protected)
  1. Do you mean do we oppose capital punishment when society is already protected and capital punishment is for other purposes?
  2. or do you mean capital punishment when society is protected because of capital punishement?
Based on the context I would guess you mean option #1, but just want to be sure.
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Correct. Do you oppose Capital Punishment when the public can be safely protected via a competent incarceration system?
 
I am against all of them. Everyone of these are grave sins but unfortunatly some such as sterilization, artifical birth control and abortion have become so desensitized by society many people do not understand the gravity of the sin. In abortion for example “it is just getting rid of a mistake” is the answer many ignorrant and uninformed persons might give without ever realizing they just killed a baby. More knowlegde has to go out to the younger generation to help them to fully understand.
 
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Maranatha:
There are two ways, one of life and one of death, but a great difference between the two ways. The way of life, then, is this: First, you shall love God who made you; second, love your neighbor as yourself, and do not do to another what you would not want done to you. And of these sayings the teaching is this: Bless those who curse you, and pray for your enemies, and fast for those who persecute you. For what reward is there for loving those who love you? Do not the Gentiles do the same? - Didache
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**As recently as the 50’s only two of the items on the list were issues- war and capital punishment. The others were not advocated by sane people. **
How far our world has degenerated in less than 50 years!
 
i’m against all the above, and especially the one’s not mentioned… being unkind, and judgemental…
 
I voted for all but the capital punishment and war. Not because I am adamently FOR the death penalty or war, but because there is some grey area there.

For all the others, it is clear: They are NOT negotiatable!!
 
I’m sort of surprised that War and the Death Penalty are less popular (so far) than Contraception/Sterilization. The first two involve the actual taking of human life, while the last involves preventing life from beginning. I see a subtle difference there, while I stand opposed to them all.
 
I stand against all of them.

Although, I could see a case where Capital Punishment could be applied, I could not vote (in a jury case) for that punishment.

PF
 
First, I voted for all of them except capitol punishment.
There was a thread ( can’t remember which forum) which posted an article about Pelican Bay, the newest, most secure high-security prison in the U.S., and how the gang leaders were sneaking messages out to their lieutenants, ordering them whom to kill. There is no method of incarceration that is both safe for society and humane to the guilty prisoner.
I have had to stand at a doorway and inform a young mother holding a little baby in her arms that her husband had just been killed in a robbery, another in a road rage incident. I had to tell a man his son had just been gunned down in a “random” gang kiling.
Realizing that a wrong can never be used to produce a good, and that mistakes have been made, I just cannot bring myself, yet, to ban capitol punishment. Working on it.
Another problem with it is that the time between the crime and the punishment (average, 18 yrs) disconnects any deterrent effect of the sentence. This is partly because defense lawyers individualize every nuance of appeal, and each one takes years. My solution is to allow one appeal, to include all possible reasons.
 
Having a complete respect for all life even when there are good arguments to support death, will buttress support for life in all areas.
 
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