Where does the idea of "ministerial priesthood" come from?

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The Epistle to the Hebrews speaks about Jesus as high priest but it never says that certain men share in His priesthood.
Ephesians 4:11 says that there five “ministries” in the body of Christ: apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, but it makes no mention of priests.
Finally, the first epistle of Peter teaches that every believer is a priest.
So, where does the distinction between the clergy and the laity come from?
 
Don’t you think that there was a difference between priests and laity in the Old Covenant? What Peter says is a quote from somewhere in the Pentateuch, where Israel is referred to as a kingdom of priests. This doesn’t change the fact that one had to go to a Levitical priest (and not just their parents, children or friends) to offer sacrifice.
 
What Peter says is a quote from somewhere in the Pentateuch, where Israel is referred to as a kingdom of priests.
“… And you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.” These words spoken by God to Moses in Ex 19:6 are echoed in the NT in 1 Peter 2:9, when he tells his Christian readers, “You are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.”

In both cases, the standard Catholic interpretation, I believe, is that Israel (in Exodus) or the Church (in 1 Peter) stands in relation to the rest of the world as a priest stands in relation to the laity, interceding with God on their behalf. That view is not shared, however, by certain Protestants – Calvinists, I think, though I’m not sure about that – who quote Peter’s words as meaning that all Christians are priests, from which they go on to deduce that the Catholic Church is wrong to have an ordained priesthood, set apart from the laity.
 
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the standard Catholic interpretation is that the Church (in 1 Peter) stands in relation to the rest of the world as a priest stands in relation to the laity. … That view is not shared, however, by certain Protestants who quote Peter’s words as meaning that all Christians are priests
Hmm. No, I’m not sure that’s the “standard Catholic interpretation.” We Catholics, too, believe that all the baptized are “priest, prophet and king.” The idea of the ‘ordinary priesthood’ – which, I’d assert, is what is supported by 1 Pet 2:9 – is part of our Tradition (cf CCC #1546).

The answer to the OP’s question, I think, is found both by looking at history and the Tradition of the Church, but I think it’s important to examine the question itself first.

In his EWTN call-in program “Called to Communion”, Dr David Anders is often asked the question “where do Catholics find _____ in the Bible?” His answer is always to remind callers that the Bible is not the sole rule of faith; Jesus never said, “take this book and use it as the only means of bringing folks to salvation.” Instead, what we see in the Gospels is that the system that Jesus set up was to teach a few of His followers in a special and intense way (in effect, a three-year internship!), and then set them as the leadership of the Church He founded, and commanded them with a ministry that included teaching. (In fact, there’s a line in the Gospels themselves that asserts that there was a lot more that Jesus said and did, and it’s not possible that all that could fit in a book. The implication, then, is that this knowledge is found in the teaching of the Apostles, not in a book.)

So… how to answer the OP’s question? I think it’s important to understand the historical perspective. In the beginning of the Church, only the apostles (and later, their successors, the bishops) led the assembly at what we’d now call “the Mass”. They didn’t call themselves ‘priests’. Jewish clerics called themselves ‘priests’, and since many of the first Christians also considered themselves observant Jews, they wouldn’t call their Christian leaders something that they weren’t! (This distinction is alluded to in the Letter to the Hebrews.) Only later, once the Jews had kicked Christians out of the synagogues, would Christians begin to call their clerics ‘priests’.

But, is there any warrant for asserting that there is a distinct ministerial priesthood that we can see in the NT? I think so. We find it in the narrative of the Last Supper, in which Jesus charges his Apostles exclusively with the command to “do this in memory of me.” We find it – albeit obliquely – in those passages which demonstrate that the apostles exercised an authority not held by Christians at large. This authority, then, was associated with their office of ‘apostle’, which also included the role that we’d today call ‘priest.’

Do we see a distinction between clergy and laity in the NT? Yes. However, it developed over time. So, looking for it as a fully-developed distinction, in the record of the first days of the Church, isn’t going to be terribly productive.
 
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The sentence that Jesus did a lot more than can be written in the books is in the last chapter in the Gospel of John. Very suitable ending in my opinion. 😄
 
I agree with you, however, when you talk about the passages from the Last Supper, why do you assume Christ was refering to the Apostles alone and not to all the Church?

After all, Jesus also says to eat his Body and Flesh in the same situation and the Church interprets it as if he was talking to all the faithful…
 
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when you talk about the passages from the Last Supper, why do you assume Christ was refering to the Apostles alone and not to all the Church?
By simple referent in the text. The narratives of the Last Supper speak only to the context of Jesus and the Apostles. (We extrapolate that others must have been present… but the narratives address a particular audience of actors – Jesus and the Twelve.)
After all, Jesus also says to eat his Body and Flesh in the same situation and the Church interprets it as if he was talking to all the faithful…
Are you referring to John 6? Jesus spoke these words to those assembled to hear Him preach. That’s not the audience of Scriptural account of the Last Supper… 😉
 
I agree with you, however, when you talk about the passages from the Last Supper, why do you assume Christ was refering to the Apostles alone and not to all the Church?

After all, Jesus also says to eat his Body and Flesh in the same situation and the Church interprets it as if he was talking to all the faithful…
Well, the word which Jesus used, “do” , translates to offer, I think. So while we all must receive the Eucharist, only the priests can offer it.
 
In the Old Testament, Korah and his followers tried to usurp the ministerial priesthood from those Israelites who had been authorized to exercise it. (Numbers 16) In the New Testament, Jude compares certain Christians who rejected authority with those who perish in Korah’s rebellion. (Jude 1:11) The ordinary understanding of the comparison is that those Christians, like Korah and his followers, had tried to usurp the ministerial priesthood from those Christians who had been authorized to exercise it.

James specifies that sick Christians were to call for the presbyters (priests) of the Church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord that they might be healed and their sins forgiven. (See James 5:14)

When there was dissension in the Church concerning the necessity of circumcision, it was the apostles and presbyters (priests) of the Church who met in council together at Jerusalem to decide the matter and their decisions were also regarded as the decisions of the Holy Spirit and their written decisions were then delivered to the various churches for observance. (See Acts 15:1-16:5)
 
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I am refering to the passage used in the Eucharistic Prayer during the Consecration, I don’t remember if it was in the Last Supper but I thought so…
 
So, where does the distinction between the clergy and the laity come from?
According to Dr. Hahn’s Bible and the sacraments series it comes from the Old Testament.

It’s very long so I will try to summarize it.

Adam held the first priestly role in the garden.
Genesis 2:15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it and keep it.
In hebrew obd·e means to-serve-of·her (til) u·l·shmr·e means to-keep-of·her

These words are used together in only one other place in the scriptures, when talking about the duties of the levitical priests in Numbers 18:4

This line continued through Noah, Abraham, Jacob and Issac until Exodus 32. Up until the golden calf incident every father and his son acted in a priestly role. After this priests would come from the ribe of Levi only. Exodus 19:6

God had originally intended for all of his tribes to be a kingdom of priests. But because they worshiped other god’s in exodus 32 they lost this corporate vocation. Instead the Levits were set apart from the rest of Isreal. Now instead of every father offering sacrifice to God only the Levits were allowed. They became the ministerial priesthood.

The levitical priesthood maintained it’s preminance until the Davidic kingdom. (2 Samuel 6)

Through the Davidic Kingdom God was beginning to lay the ground work for the New Covenant priesthood.

From here he goes to Hebrews 5:1-6 to show that Christ fulfilled the sacrificial system of the old covenant he restored the natural priesthood as the faithful firstborn son of the Father. But he didn’t stop there. Jesus doesn’t simply restore, He transforms. He established a new supernatural priesthood from within the new isreal, the Church.

From here he goes throught Luke 12:19, Matthew 28:16-20, Matthew 10:8, Matthew 16:9, Isaiah 22:22, Acts 1:20,

continued…
 
Dr. Hahn’s wrap up…

Jesus made it Crystal clear that he was fulfilling and replacing the Old Covenant priesthood.

The Bible teaches us that Jesus is the New Moses.

The Old Moses set up the Levitical priesthood at the foot of Mt. Sinai.

Well the New Moses sets up the New Covenant priesthood in a similar way.

Exodus 24 Moses’ Oder of Priesthood
Code:
1) Aaron was high priest
2) His inner scirle was Aaron, Nadab & Abihu
They accompanied Moses to the top of Mt. Sinai
3) 12 young men who represent the 12 tribes offer sacrifice at the 12 pillars which Moses' errected.
4) 70 elders of Isreal who became the prototype of the sanhedrin.  The highest Judicial council in
Jesus’ time.

In the New Covenant Jesus declares His fulfillment of the Mosaic covenant by mimicking Moses.
Code:
1) Jesus chooses Peteras the Head of the 12.
2) Peter, James and John are Jesus inner circle.
	a. They accompany Jeses to witness the Transfiguration
3) Jesus says the 12 Apostles shall rule over the 12 tribes
4) Jesus sends out the 70 desciples
The Sanhedrin saw clearly that Jesus was setting himself up as the new Moses, by Jesus instituting the New Priesthood.

The Priesthood is not a right, it is a calling.
Only men are ordained priests because Jesus only called Men.
Jesus was not just abiding by the customs of the time.

This is just the highlights, hope this helps,

God Bless
 
I am refering to the passage used in the Eucharistic Prayer during the Consecration, I don’t remember if it was in the Last Supper but I thought so…
Right – the “institution narrative”. That’s what I’m talking about, too. “Do this in memory of me” – to the Apostles – meant “confect the Eucharist, just as I’m doing it.”
 
But what I am saying is that the bit before “do this is in memory of me” (“This is my body…”) is directed to all the Church (that’s why we take communion, I guess). Then why suddenly would Jesus speak only to the Apostles when he said “do this im memory of me”?
 
But what I am saying is that the bit before “do this is in memory of me” (“This is my body…”) is directed to all the Church (that’s why we take communion, I guess). Then why suddenly would Jesus speak only to the Apostles when he said “do this im memory of me”?
He was speaking to the apostles the whole time. Later on, the apostles began performing this ministry for the whole Church. At the Last Supper, they still hadn’t begun ministering in that way.
 
In hebrew obd·e means to-serve-of·her (til) u·l·shmr·e means to-keep-of·her

These words are used together in only one other place in the scriptures, when talking about the duties of the levitical priests in Numbers 18:4
I’d like to read the discussion about the two Hebrew verbs in Gen 2:15 and Num 18:4 in Hahn’s own words. Can you give a reference, please?
 
I’d like to read the discussion about the two Hebrew verbs in Gen 2:15 and Num 18:4 in Hahn’s own words. Can you give a reference, please?
The Study I did was called Bible and the Sacraments…


I bought this kit which included the two books that the study was based on…

https://stpaulcenter.com/product/participant-kit-bible-and-the-sacraments/

Dr. Hahn’s book is called Swear to God. I read it 3 years ago but would imagine that is where you would find more detail on the comment.

I’ll dust off my copy this weekend and see if I can find more info.

God Bless
 
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