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joclucsylv
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I was asked that by a non Catholic. Thank you!
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rdg10c
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It doesnt. Show your non-catholic friend the last verse of John and explain how Catholics do not only believe in Sacred Scripture but also Sacred Tradition.
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Scoobyshme
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You might start here:
catholic.com/library/Praying_to_the_Saints.asp
Also, don’t fall for the false point of departure in these discussions with non-Catholics that everything must be “in the Bible.”
The Bible itself says that not everything Jesus did or taught is in the Bible (John 21:25).
Yet, Jesus commanded the Apostles to teach all that He had taught them. (Matt. 28:20)
So, if everything Jesus taught isn’t in the Bible, where is the rest, the part that’s not in the Bible? In oral tradition, a.k.a. Sacred Tradition (capital T). (2 Thes 2:15)
The Bible says that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of truth.” (1 Tim 3:15) Not the individual personally interpreting the Bible. In fact, St. Peter speaks against personal interpretation of the Scriptures. (2 Peter 1:20)
The real question should not be, “Where is that in the Bible.” The real question should be, “What does Christ’s Church teach on the matter?” Because the Church preceded the Bible, and didn’t decide which books went into it till the 4th century. And, most folks couldn’t read till the late 1800’s or early 1900’s anyway.
catholic.com/library/Praying_to_the_Saints.asp
Also, don’t fall for the false point of departure in these discussions with non-Catholics that everything must be “in the Bible.”
The Bible itself says that not everything Jesus did or taught is in the Bible (John 21:25).
Yet, Jesus commanded the Apostles to teach all that He had taught them. (Matt. 28:20)
So, if everything Jesus taught isn’t in the Bible, where is the rest, the part that’s not in the Bible? In oral tradition, a.k.a. Sacred Tradition (capital T). (2 Thes 2:15)
The Bible says that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of truth.” (1 Tim 3:15) Not the individual personally interpreting the Bible. In fact, St. Peter speaks against personal interpretation of the Scriptures. (2 Peter 1:20)
The real question should not be, “Where is that in the Bible.” The real question should be, “What does Christ’s Church teach on the matter?” Because the Church preceded the Bible, and didn’t decide which books went into it till the 4th century. And, most folks couldn’t read till the late 1800’s or early 1900’s anyway.
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Todd_Easton
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In his letters to other Christians in far off places, St. Paul routinely asked them to pray for him. (Romans 15:30, Philippians 1:19, Colossians 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 5:25)Catholics sending up a prayer (a spiritual letter, if you will) to Virgin Mary, a Christian in heaven, asking her to pray for them is pretty much the same idea.
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midori
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Does your friend know when Jesus planned on beginning his ministry with his first major miracle? It obviously wasn’t at the Wedding at Cana. Why would someone who could cure the blind, heal the lame, and raise the dead choose to launch his Messianic career by turning water into wine at a wedding party to save the happy couple from embarrassment? But he did-- not because it was in his plan, but because Mary asked him to. He told her that his hour hadn’t come yet. She told the servants to do whatever he told them. And he did what she had asked-- not because it was a great or important thing, but because she had interceded on their behalf, whether they knew it or not.
She still tells us to do whatever Jesus tells us— that’s her whole purpose, to guide people closer to her Son. And Jesus, who may not be favorable to granting our requests on our own terms, is far more likely to grant those same requests when channeled through such a powerful intercessor.
She still tells us to do whatever Jesus tells us— that’s her whole purpose, to guide people closer to her Son. And Jesus, who may not be favorable to granting our requests on our own terms, is far more likely to grant those same requests when channeled through such a powerful intercessor.
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Swiss_Guy
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I’ll answer when someone shows me where in scripture it says everything must be in scripture to be true.
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Isaiah45_9
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You correctly point to John 21:25.
As for the reading commentary… I’ve read about this general opinion a lot around this forum and other.
What is reading?
It is a complex cognitive process of decoding symbols for the intention of constructing or deriving meaning (reading comprehension).
Reading is a means of language acquisition, of communication, and of sharing information and ideas. Like all language, it is a complex interaction between the text and the reader which is shaped by the reader’s prior knowledge, experiences, attitude, and language community which is culturally and socially situated. The reading process requires continuous practices, development, and refinement.
In that context, the human race has been reading for thousands of years.
When you say most folks you are probably referring to the ones that were not educated in the art of reading the alphabet that we are familiar with right now. Or at the time of the written Word of God.
Perhaps, you would be so kind as to share where I can find the literacy stats or references you are mentioning
. Thanks.
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Rogare
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I don’t mean to nitpick, but John 21:25 isn’t a particularly good verse for combating sola scriptura. Let me demonstrate:
Oh, and before you jump all over this silly Protestant, Jimmy Akin pointed out this very same thing on the July 8 edition of Catholic Answers Live so take it up with him
John is specifically talking about deeds performed by Jesus- not things taught by Jesus- not recorded in the Scriptures. This makes absolutely no reference to extrabiblical teachings- rather, just the deeds (actions) that Jesus performed.
Oh, and before you jump all over this silly Protestant, Jimmy Akin pointed out this very same thing on the July 8 edition of Catholic Answers Live so take it up with him
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MarcoPolo
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This is exactly right. Paul shows us that we can ask other saints for their intercession. Scripture does not teach that the saints who go to heaven are suddenly off-limits. In fact, Scripture teaches the oneness of the body of Christ. There is no such divide that we cannot ask them for intercession when their prayers would be most powerful.
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