Where in the bible does it teach that it is all right to rebel against the authority of the church which Christ established?

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Here’s how I would describe it: Catholics don’t teach that it’s okay to worship Mary, so asking a Catholic “Where in the bible does it say that it’s okay to worship Mary?” is like asking “Where in the bible does it say that it’s okay to beat your wife?” (Same, I suppose, with asking a Protestant “Where in the bible does it teach that it is alright to rebel against the authority of the church which Christ established?”)
Peter,
After understanding your intent, I think you are spot on with this. There is a difference between asking, “Where does the Bible say we should worship Mary?”, and, “What Bible references does the Catholic Church point to to support veneration and invocation of the BVM?”
The first question, as Publisher informs, has the intent, or at least the effect, of driving deeper the wedges of division. The second, if done in true charity and desire for understanding, allows for honest beliefs to be expressed, and discussed.

Jon
 
Perhaps it would help if I explain my motivation a little:

When Protestants ask us (Catholics) questions like “Where in the bible does it say that it’s okay to worship Mary?” that, in my opinion, causes Protestants to lose credibility in our eyes.

So what I’m wondering is, does this go the other way too, like when Catholics say to Protestants “Where in the bible does it teach that it is all right to rebel against the authority of the church which Christ established?”
I got your intent the first time, Peter. Actually, I knew it as soon as I saw the thread title. I did blink for a moment when I thought you were the author haha.

Inconceivable.
 
True no one owns God. He acquire himself a people. But the Bible clearly states no one has the right to separate himself from the Church. The Bible often describe the Church as the Body of Christ. Jesus being the head.
Manny, just looking at your self-made quote, “Protestants are the Pharisees of Modern Times,” I really have to ask how do you figure that? The Pharisees were obsessed with laws, works, keeping to theology, walking the line with rules and dogmas, and they were very organized, quick to excommunicate and condemn. Many of our protestant brothers and sisters might look at your quote and say, “huh? that sounds more like the Catholics!?”

Protestants believe in justification through faith alone and grace alone. How is that Pharisaic? They don’t pass judgment on your salvation or have an organized hierarchy most of the time, and they don’t have a catechism of rules that define each and every bit of minutiae, categorizing sins, etc. Protestants can hardly be likened to pharisees?

Another concern I have with quotes like yours is that they CANNOT possibly be charitable and cause a protestant to take an interest in Catholicism. That kind of “quote” will only serve to anger, cause protestants to feel you are condescending and arrogant, and make us Catholics look bad.

Instead of trashing protestants, why don’t you have a POSITIVE quote from a Catholic, or heck, maybe a charitable one toward protestants? I’ve heard Father Corapi say, “better to be an outstanding Protestant than a lousy Catholic!”

Finally, isn’t that a bit self-obsessed to quote yourself!? LOL
 
Didn’t Jesus rebuke the self righteous religious leaders of His day?
Yes, but He never disobeyed them, nor did He ever schismate against them. (The Christian sect was excommunicated from Temple Judaism in 68 AD - just in time, apparently, because Temple Judaism ceased to exist in 70 AD and was replaced with Rabbinic Judaism. The Catholic Church is all that is left of the original religion that Jesus and the Apostles practiced.)
So, rebelling against specific people within the church when they pose a threat is okay. Rebelling against the church is not.
Standing up to them is good. (St. Catherine of Sienna; St. Teresa of Avila; St. John of the Cross.) Disobeying them, or rebelling against them, is not okay.
One thing that makes Catholics lose credibility in my mind is when they argue about silly things.
“Should I receive communion on my tongue, or have the wafer placed into my hand?”
“Is it proper to stand, or kneel while receiving communion?”
“Is it okay to make the sign of the cross while receiving communion?”
This is what happens when your worship becomes too religious. You tend to focus too much on outward appearances and small details to the point where they are all you think about.
It’s quite normal for new converts and people who are newly returning to the faith to become interested in these things.

People who ask these questions are genuinely wondering about the answers - all of us go through a stage in our spiritual development where we want to know what “style” of Catholic we want to be, and so we test the assumptions behind each of these different things - what does it mean, if I receive in the hand? What do people assume about me, if I receive on the tongue?

And some people are genuinely confused about what the Church teaches about these things, and they, also, need to ask out loud, so that they can find out.
 
Manny, just looking at your self-made quote, “Protestants are the Pharisees of Modern Times,” I really have to ask how do you figure that? The Pharisees were obsessed with laws, works, keeping to theology, walking the line with rules and dogmas, and they were very organized, quick to excommunicate and condemn. Many of our protestant brothers and sisters might look at your quote and say, “huh? that sounds more like the Catholics!?”

Protestants believe in justification through faith alone and grace alone. How is that Pharisaic? They don’t pass judgment on your salvation or have an organized hierarchy most of the time, and they don’t have a catechism of rules that define each and every bit of minutiae, categorizing sins, etc. Protestants can hardly be likened to pharisees?

Another concern I have with quotes like yours is that they CANNOT possibly be charitable and cause a protestant to take an interest in Catholicism. That kind of “quote” will only serve to anger, cause protestants to feel you are condescending and arrogant, and make us Catholics look bad.

Instead of trashing protestants, why don’t you have a POSITIVE quote from a Catholic, or heck, maybe a charitable one toward protestants? I’ve heard Father Corapi say, “better to be an outstanding Protestant than a lousy Catholic!”

Finally, isn’t that a bit self-obsessed to quote yourself!? LOL
Thanks for this. I think you’ll find that most of us (Protestants) are far more impressed by posters like yourself who discuss with charity, and yet a firmness of faith.

Jon
 
Manny, just looking at your self-made quote, “Protestants are the Pharisees of Modern Times,” I really have to ask how do you figure that? The Pharisees were obsessed with laws, works, keeping to theology, walking the line with rules and dogmas, and they were very organized, quick to excommunicate and condemn. Many of our protestant brothers and sisters might look at your quote and say, “huh? that sounds more like the Catholics!?”
Hmm … Interesting question. Maybe it’s the best-defense-is-a-good-offense strategy.
 
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