Where is it permissable to hold Mass?

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I always thought Mass was supposed to be held in a Catholic Church. However, in the past I’ve been to a home where Father came in and held a home Mass. I’ve also been to a pilgramage to a mountain top where Mass was held by the bishops of 3 diocese. What is the rule on holding Mass outside of a Catholic Church?
 
Quaere Verum:
I always thought Mass was supposed to be held in a Catholic Church. However, in the past I’ve been to a home where Father came in and held a home Mass. I’ve also been to a pilgramage to a mountain top where Mass was held by the bishops of 3 diocese. What is the rule on holding Mass outside of a Catholic Church?
How about when the Pope travels. All the Masses I have seen have been in the open air.
 
My uncle, a Jesuit, used to hold Mass for us in my parents’ house when he visited.
 
Since a Priest is required to say Mass every day (even on their day off and when on vacation), I think they are given broad latitude so long as the environment is free from unnecessary distraction (i.e. a train station probably isn’t proper). As every year, I have a hunting group that includes a Priest (he reserves the week for hunting around the state and joins our group for two days) and he says Mass in his hotel room on Saturday and on Sunday (as the non-Catholics join us) we get a meeting room for the Mass.

I also know a Priest who has a parish near a fishing resort development on a lake. Instead of having the people (who weren’t regular members of his parish) driving the 30 miles into town for Mass (and he was an avid fisherman for fish too 🙂 ), after the last regular Mass at his church, he would come out and say Mass outside near the beach and join them for fishing in the afternoon. The resort visitors were responsible for setting everything up prior to him getting there. The one time I went to Mass there, it really was very reverent as those people became a ad hoc faith community. A side benefit is that Protestants also chose to join them for their worship on Sunday. I wouldn’t be surprised if some became Catholic or at least more open and understanding of our Faith. Finally, every year, our parish has “Mass on the Grass” where Mass is said outside the rectory and afterwards we have a hamberger/brat picnic and games for the kids.
 
A long time friend of my immediate family, Fr Antikeier heald Mass in my parents living room once, I think for the imaculate conception, and a memorial to a sister of mine who paased away right after birth.
 
Ok, this may be completely off or old news, but I always understood it that if it was not in a church, it was not a mass…mostly b/c my mother always said "if you don’t get married IN the church-- and she was not talking “by a priest” she was saying “in the building on Lakeside Avenue” it is not a valid wedding – that Catholic weddings cannot happen on the beach or in a park or whatever…it had to happen not only presided by a priest, but inside a catholic church as well…hmmm…

our parish has a picnic every fall, and the mass is celebrated outside before the picnic…(I dislike it b/c it just seems so casual to me; everyone in lawn chairs during the consecration of our Lord…just odd to me)
 
If I remember correctly, Father Karol Wojtyla (Later becoming JP II) held a Mass by a Lake on a Canoe many years back…

While I’m sure an actual Church is probably the best place for a Mass, I don’t think it is necessary… Look at World Youth Day or most Masses said when the Holy Father travels… Due to the immense attendance, they are usually said outside in the open.

And not to take value away from anything your Mother says Leaner, but I believe a Wedding could take place Outside of an actual Church building if a dispensation is given from the Bishop (Though it is a rare occasion)
 
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CatholicCid:
If I remember correctly, Father Karol Wojtyla (Later becoming JP II) held a Mass by a Lake on a Canoe many years back…
Masses were not allowed by the Communists. He did it to avoid them.
 
Quaere Verum:
What is the rule on holding Mass outside of a Catholic Church?
The Code of Canon Lawhas this to say about where Mass can/should be celebrated:
CIC:
The eucharistic celebration is to be carried out in a sacred place unless in a particular case necessity requires otherwise; in such a case the celebration must be done in a decent place. (c. 932.1)

The eucharistic sacrifice must be carried out on a dedicated or blessed altar; outside a sacred place a suitable table can be used, always with a cloth and a corporal. (c. 932.2)
Redemptionis Sacramentumstates the following:
“The celebration of the Eucharist is to be carried out in a sacred place, unless in a particular case necessity requires otherwise. In this case the celebration must be in a decent place.”The diocesan Bishop shall be the judge for his diocese concerning this necessity, on a case-by-case basis. (RS, no. 108)
This means that, if a priest regularly wishes to celebrate Mass somewhere other than a church, oratory, etc., he must first get the approval of his bishop/ordinary.

I can understand where some instances may not allow this, but those should be few and far between.
 
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Orionthehunter:
Since a Priest is required to say Mass every day (even on their day off and when on vacation),
I believe you are mistaken, but am willing to be corrected if you can support that?

wrt the original question, *Redemptionis Sacramentum *says:
  1. “The celebration of the Eucharist is to be carried out in a sacred place, unless in a particular case necessity requires otherwise. In this case the celebration must be in a decent place.” The diocesan Bishop shall be the judge for his diocese concerning this necessity, on a case-by-case basis.
  1. It is never lawful for a Priest to celebrate in a temple or sacred place of any non-Christian religion.
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Quaere Verum:
Hmmm! A sacred place - that’s subjective isn’t it?
Not when Canon Law is concerned 😉
Can. 1205 Sacred places are those which are assigned to divine worship or to the burial of the faithful by the dedication or blessing which the liturgical books prescribe for this purpose.
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So it appears that the word “assigned” is the key here. I guess this goes back to what was said earlier when posters stated that the bishop must grant permission for Masses to be held outside of a Catholic Church.
 
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CatholicCid:
If I remember correctly, Father Karol Wojtyla (Later becoming JP II) held a Mass by a Lake on a Canoe many years back…

While I’m sure an actual Church is probably the best place for a Mass, I don’t think it is necessary… Look at World Youth Day or most Masses said when the Holy Father travels… Due to the immense attendance, they are usually said outside in the open.

And not to take value away from anything your Mother says Leaner, but I believe a Wedding could take place Outside of an actual Church building if a dispensation is given from the Bishop (Though it is a rare occasion)
LOL – no worries; she’s got a pretty good grip on the “ok” and “not ok” – but come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve ever been to a catholic wedding anywhere but inside a catholic church (tho I have been to one where both a lutheran minister and a catholic priest officiated in a lutheran church…but that’s a whooooolllle other issue…(my brother’s wedding…:eek: .{{shudder}})
 
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Orionthehunter:
Since a Priest is required to say Mass every day (even on their day off and when on vacation) …
I don’t know if I would say that priests are required to say Mass daily, but I do know that the Church seriously recommends it.

Again, the Code of Canon Law, can. 904 states:
Remembering always that in the mystery of the eucharistic sacrifice the work of redemption is exercised continually, priests are to celebrate frequently; indeed, daily celebration is recommended earnestly since, even if the faithful cannot be present, it is the act of Christ and the Church in which priests fulfill their principal function.
This, again, is reiterated in Redemptionis Sacramentum, no. 110, which states:
Remembering always that in the mystery of the Eucharistic Sacrifice the work of redemption is constantly being carried out, Priests should celebrate frequently. Indeed, daily celebration is earnestly recommended, because, even if it should not be possible to have the faithful present, the celebration is an act of Christ and of the Church, and in carrying it out, Priests fulfill their principal role.
The current General Instruction of the Roman Missal, no. 19 states in part, that
It is therefore recommended that the priest celebrate the Eucharistic Sacrifice even daily, if possible
*Presbyterorum ordinis, *no. 13, issued by H.H. Paul VI in 1965 at the Second Vatican Council, states:
In the mystery of the Eucharistic Sacrifice, in which priests fulfill their greatest task, the work of our redemption is being constantly carried on; and hence the daily celebration of Mass is strongly urged, since even if there cannot be present a number of the faithful, it is still an act of Christ and of the Church.
Eucharisticum Mysterium, no. 44, also states that
In the mystery of the Eucharistic sacrifice, in which the priest exercises his highest function, the work of our redemption is continually accomplished. Daily celebration of Mass, therefore, is most earnestly recommended, since, even if the faithful cannot be present, it remains an action of Christ and the Church," an action in which the priest is always acting for the salvation of the people.
I guess I could on forever, but I think you can see how important the Church feels it is for priests to celebrate Mass daily, even when there is no one else around to participate in its fruits.
 
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muledog:
The Code of Canon Law has this to say about where Mass can/should be celebrated:

Redemptionis Sacramentum states the following:

This means that, if a priest regularly wishes to celebrate Mass somewhere other than a church, oratory, etc., he must first get the approval of his bishop/ordinary.

I can understand where some instances may not allow this, but those should be few and far between.
Mule, thanks for your posts. I totally agree that your posts cover the norm as Mass should generally be held in a sacred place and think that probably 99% of the Masses are held in a sacred place. However, I have to believe that there is certain ad hoc flexibility given to Priests outside of the norm. For instance, the Priest that joins me for a hunting trip every fall. He says Saturday morning Mass in his room and the Catholics in my group attend (a couple of us and possibly my daughters if this is the weekend they are along) and on Sunday, we reserve a meeting room and everyone in the group (about 10 guys and usually a few have their kids along) attends this Mass. While he might have gotten prior permission from the Bishop (I’m going to ask him about this so thank you all for this thread), it is my suspicion that this flexibility on this ad hoc (non-regular) basis is allowed. Although in today’s world where a Priest could routinely email ad hoc requests and get prompt permission in most cases, that wasn’t always the case and it still doesn’t provide flexibility in the even thte Bishop isn’t immediately available to respond. It just seems to me that the interests of the Church are served whenever a Priest in his judgment thinks that saying Mass is beneficial to him and/or the faithful it should be allowed so long as it isn’t an abuse. Personally, despite the make-shift location of a hotel room where we are sitting on a bed around an altar derived from the hotel desk, these intimate Masses are always reverrent (if you consider it possible that four guys who can’t carry a note singing acapello (sp?) “Faith of our Fathers”* reverrant) and spiritually fulfilling.
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I’m also thinking about my World Youth Day trip. While in Rome, all our Masses were held in chapels. But when we went to Germany, they were held in a hotel meeting room. I don’t know if permission was granted to the Priest to have it wherever he could arrange it or if he had authority by virtue of his Priestly office to use his best judgment.

Regarding the quotes you cite where Priests are “strongly urged” to say Mass daily even if there are no faithful in attendance, I think that Bishop’s can go beyond this by requiring except for dire reasons (sickness or unavailability of a “decent place”). At least, the Priests I’ve traveled with have described daily Mass as obligatory but maybe that is just a concession to the “strongly urged” language.
 
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Orionthehunter:
Since a Priest is required to say Mass every day (even on their day off and when on vacation),
Priests are not required to say Mass every day. According to the Code of Canon Law, canon 276.2.2 on clerics: “they are to nourish their spiritual life from the two-fold table of Sacred Scripture and the Eucharist; priests are therefore earnestly invited to offer the sacrifice of the Eucharist daily and deacons are earnestly invited to participate daily in offering it;”.

(From Code of Canon Law: Latin-English Edition, Canon Law Society of America, 1995, ISBN 0-943616-20-4, page 97.)

This canon makes it clear that they are obliged to celebrate the Liturgy of the Hours daily.
 
Quaere Verum:
I always thought Mass was supposed to be held in a Catholic Church. However, in the past I’ve been to a home where Father came in and held a home Mass. I’ve also been to a pilgramage to a mountain top where Mass was held by the bishops of 3 diocese. What is the rule on holding Mass outside of a Catholic Church?
Mass or more specifically all the Sacraments are required to be normally celebrated in a Sacred place, The Parish Church or Cathedral. When necessity requires it the Bishop may authorize them to take place in another suitable location. Usually like the pope’s outdoor Mass. It is because there are far too many faithful to fit into a church. Home Mass should no longer take place it was common several years ago but was abused by many.
 
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tee_eff_em:
I believe you are mistaken, but am willing to be corrected if you can support that?

wrt the original question, *Redemptionis Sacramentum *says:

tee
In the past every priest was required to say Mass every day. every parish was required to have at least one daily Mass. However now many no longer have a priest and they are encouraged to celebrate Mass daily, but not required.
 
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