See, if yuda red my posts on this u woodn’t be in this state of mind…suddenly.
Be patient and pray. The Vatican moves at it’s own pace, not ours. There are many factors involved in this Motu Proprio, and finding the right time for it’s release is imperative.
I thought I’d heard it was supposed to be realeased sometime during the Easter Season. The Easter Season ends at Pentecost, doesn’t it? I’m praying it will happen. Also, signs seem to point to the good possiblity it will happen. The FSSP is holding workshops in June to teach priests to say the Latin Mass.
Are you Orthodox or Catholic though? If your Orthodox why are you interested in the TLM? If your Catholic why would you go to the “Liturgy of St John Chrysostem” which wouldn’t fulfill your Sunday Obligation.
Technically Roman Catholic. Went to a Roman Catholic School, before High School. Went to University, where I was part of the John Don Scotus Catholic Community (A Franciscan Community). After University spent the better part of six years, studying Eastern Orthodox/Byzantine Catholic spirituality, on my own. Since, what I was seeing in Roman Catholicism, was far different then what I was looking for in my Roman Catholic faith and spirituality. Examples: Gregorian Chant, TLM, monastic Spirituality, teachings from ancient Church fathers, like Benedict, Francis, Dominic, Anthony, Bede, Ephraim the Syrian, by priests, Holy scripture, etcc. These teachings were being replaced by modern day issues, modern day theologies, from modern day theologians mostly at homilies. So I ventured East, to the original sources, as Kallistos Ware would put it. Their I have found, a strong monastic tradition, unchanged and beautiful Liturgy. A sense of awe and reverence, strong devotion to the teachings of the early church fathers, quoted by many priests at their homilies, and Holy scripture. All I here is talk about abortion. Sure it is wrong and a deadly sin. But what about Europeans loosing their faith, and the constant death that is taking place in countries like Iraq. They are equally important. Even in Coptic Orthodoxy, which is the Alexandrian Church of Egypt their is a deep monastic spiritual tradition a deep sense of reverence in their liturgy, the Liturgy of St Mark, a deep reverence of the teachings of the early church fathers by priests and lay people as well as Holy scripture. So their you have it. Why I talk so much about Orthodoxy. Things you will not find in Roman Catholicism, unless the clerics, monastics, and lay people start going back to their original, traditional sources. And not relying so much on modern day theology and practices.
Actually one can fulfill their “Sunday Obligation” by attending the Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom. That would be by attending one of the Byzantine Catholic Churches.
Ah, but does your spirituality include things that are Catholic and therefore not acknowledged in the Orthodox Church. If so, then going to the Orthodox Church is not the right thing to do.
While I sympathize with your desire for more exposure to the “traditional sources,” I hope you realize that you may very well be committing a mortal sin if you walk away from the Catholic Church. Of course, this depends on whether you believe Orthodoxy or Catholicism to be the one true Church (in other words, which church is in schism from the other and which has retained all four marks of apostolicity, recognizing that both churches are apostolic in origin), but since you are currently still in communion with the Catholic Church as governed by the Bishop of Rome, which holds that the Eastern churches are in schism, if you’re only reason for leaving is that you’re no longer willing to suffer through a liturgy that doesn’t suit your tastes and a lack of references to venerable theologians from centuries past, I’m afraid the Catholic Church doesn’t see that as a legitimate reason to leave.
You should be concerned about your spirtuality, and safety of soul, but you are not helping your soul by avoiding your Sunday Obligation. Indeed you are harming it, because it is a sin to do so.
Orthodox Churches do have valid orders and sacraments according to the Roman Catholic Church. So I highly doubt it is a mortal sin. When the TLM is fully restored in every Roman Catholic parish, not just a few, along with the Gregorian Chant, like every like minded Traditional Catholic wants. Then I will return. I see no legitimate reason why the TLM should not be made available in every parish. The Pope wants more Latin used in the NO Mass, then the priests will have to learn Latin anyway. But until that happens. I will not just stay home, and listen to Gregorian Chants on CD every Sunday. I will attend the Divine Liturgy, and be part of a living tradition . And this is not just to suit my taste. It is for the faith and practice I believe in. As well as the nourishment of my soul.
Actually if you are a Catholic then you are bound by the Catholic Church’s laws which do state that this is a mortal sin.
Do you believe in the validity of the normative Mass?
Their sacraments may be valid, but they’re not licit. The only acceptable reason for a Catholic to attend an Orthodox liturgy on Sunday instead of a Catholic Mass is if there was no way for them to get to a Catholic Church that Sunday to fulfill their Sunday obligation, not as a preference. Catholics are supposed to attend Catholic Masses, period. As others have pointed out, couldn’t you find a Byzantine Catholic Church in your area that you could attend?
Well tell your priests that souls are being harmed, because Traditional Catholics are unable to meet their Sunday Obligation. Because they refuse to attend the NO Mass. And the majority of parishes in the world refuse offer the Mass of our ancient fathers, the Mass of St. Gregory the Great, the Mass that lasted for hundreds of years. So the only option is the Liturgies of the East, which are even older, but still offered.
It’s NOT the priests fault that YOU are choosing to sin. Take responsibility for your own sin instead of attempting to pass the buck
I could, but shouldn’t we be ecumenical. The Orthodox Church I attend, is very beautiful. The local Ukranian Catholic Church, doesn’t even have one painted Icon on the walls. The Orthodox Church also has Vespers and Matins as well. The Ukranian Catholic Church, only has the Liturgy. So to me. I see more of the Byzantine tradition contributing to my faith in the local Orthodox parish.