which Christian group does not believe in baptism?

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:o First of all, I want to apologize for a failed attempt at humor. I meant to reply to my own one word answer with an explanation. I was really surprised to see other replies ahead of me.

You can only be baptised once. All other subsequent baptisms are invalid. The subject came up at lunch Thursday. At my table were five priests and our bishop. When someone is received into the Catholic Church who has already been validly baptised in another denomination that person is not rebaptised. If the proof of valid baptism is lacking, the person is baptised conditionally. Conditional baptism is only valid if there was not previously a valid baptism. You might call it “just in case” baptism.

The Anabaptist position for rebaptism has always been understood by the Catholic Church as heretical. Historically, the Amish, Mennonites, and Baptist churches evolved from the Anabaptists.
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Thanks Trader for explaining!
 
I have been told by more than one church person that I am not a Christian. That’s ok by me…my heart and life doesn’t face their judgement…I seek to “stand square in the Light”. Like Fox I too "heard a voice…and my heart did leap for joy, “There is one, even Christ Jesus that can speak to thy condition.” I will trust in the experience of grace given to me…for me that is enough, I am in the Best Hands I could possibly be in.
 
Publisher, I feel your pain. On several occasions I have been told that Catholics are not Christians. Knowing my fellow Christians as I do, it may be that some of the people who have told us that were not acting with the best Christian motives.

Clue: “You are not Christian and you are going to hell!” is uncharitable and factually wrong. No one but God can judge the state of your soul. That was not my statement and I did not mean anything similar to that.

There is still the objective truth that Jesus commanded the apostles to “Make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” That is how you become member of the Body of Christ. Never did Jesus command his followers to do what they felt like doing.

Consider the teenager who discovers at age 17 that he was adopted. While he had every reason to believe that the people who raised him were his parents, there is the objective truth.that they were not the people who contributed his DNA. He had biological parents who did not raise him. In this case he still owes honor and obedience to the people who raised him, and certainly the title of parent more properly belongs to those who did the job of parent, rather than the people who contributed DNA.
 
Trader said:
Publisher, I feel your pain. On several occasions I have been told that Catholics are not Christians. Knowing my fellow Christians as I do, it may be that some of the people who have told us that were not acting with the best Christian motives.

Clue: “You are not Christian and you are going to hell!” is uncharitable and factually wrong. No one but God can judge the state of your soul. That was not my statement and I did not mean anything similar to that.

There is still the objective truth that Jesus commanded the apostles to “Make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” That is how you become member of the Body of Christ. Never did Jesus command his followers to do what they felt like doing.

Consider the teenager who discovers at age 17 that he was adopted. While he had every reason to believe that the people who raised him were his parents, there is the objective truth.that they were not the people who contributed his DNA. He had biological parents who did not raise him. In this case he still owes honor and obedience to the people who raised him, and certainly the title of parent more properly belongs to those who did the job of parent, rather than the people who contributed DNA.
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When Voltaire was interviewing a Quaker, the Friend asked him if he was circumcised…Voltaire responded “No…”…to this the Friend responded…Ah well," he said, “Friend thou are a Christian without being circumcised, and I am a Christian without being baptized.”

Friends do believe in baptism…it is the baptism with the Holy Spirit that makes one a Christian and regenerates…not water. For those who believe that rituals are necessary, I would say “Then practice them if it gives your soul peace.”…As a Friend I seek to know the Inward Reality that water baptism would point to…having experienced the One Baptism which brings us into the Body of Christ…I am content.
 
The party line among Fundamentalists seems to be, “Baptism is a work and therefore can play no part in salvation, but baptism is an expected public display of faith so if you don’t do it that’s a sign there’s something wrong with your faith.”
 
If you ask almost any priest what the hardest course in the seminary was, he will answer, “Grace”. It is normally taught in the second year of theology. I left after the fist year, so I only got to hear the second year students agonizing over it.

I have heard some fundamentalists claim that we are saved by accepting baptism. I think that goes just a little too far and is pretty much what Martin Luther accused the Catholic Church of teaching.

The problem is that the saving act is always God’s, not ours. The source of our salvation is the infinite merit of Christ’s sacrifice of Himself to the Father. We are always free to reject that gift, but we cannot earn it.

Baptism is Christ’s gift to the Church and to each one of us individually. It is through this sign that we become members of the Church, and we receive a sharing in God’s grace. All of our sins are forgiven.

The various forms of “baptism” in non-Christian religions are fundamentally different than the Trinitiarian Baptism that Jesus commanded. In the gospel reading for Trinity Sunday, Jesus asks the the apostles, " Who do you say that I am?" Peter answers, “You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God.” Peter received an A+ from the only judge that matters on that one question quiz. You can’t be Christian without the Trinity.
 
Trader;2476022 said:
The Baptist faith actually has no connection whatsoever with the Anabaptists. Baptists will TELL you that in an attempt to establish their church as predating Catholicism. These people have no knowledge of history and only make the claim because of the similarity of the two words. You are correct that Mennonites descended from the Anabaptist movement.
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flyersfan1088 said:
The Baptist faith actually has no connection whatsoever with the Anabaptists. Baptists will TELL you that in an attempt to establish their church as predating Catholicism. These people have no knowledge of history and only make the claim because of the similarity of the two words. You are correct that Mennonites descended from the Anabaptist movement.
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OK, being told I am partly correct is a good day for me:thumbsup:
We have lots of Amish and Mennonite families around here. My ex-mother-in-law had a Mennonite heritage I have been able to trace all the way back to Switzerland in the 16th century.
 
water said:
Are you on something? 😛 you are surely in a good mood today. 😃
What a great attitude you have!
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Well, the Dow Industrials hit 14,000 today and it looks like all my option positions may sette on Friday for some nice profits. Check back on Monday. I may be faced with the choice of making some nice donations or being the unfortunate rich man. Wouldn’t that be awful?😉
 
Trader said:
Well, the Dow Industrials hit 14,000 today and it looks like all my option positions may sette on Friday for some nice profits. Check back on Monday. I may be faced with the choice of making some nice donations or being the unfortunate rich man. Wouldn’t that be awful?😉
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ah, that’s why you have nick “trader”.
Remember me when you get rich. 😃 😉
 
Trader said:
Quakers, Mormons, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddists, catechumens and all other groups without Trinitarian Baptism are not Christians.
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Catechumens are Christians in training… waiting to be baptized.
 
Semper_Fi said:
Catechumens are Christians in training… waiting to be baptized.
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That was exactly my point. They are not Christians and members of the Church until they are baptized. They are still investigating their options.

I know some who claimed she was trying to lose weight because she was thinking about it, but she never actually changed her behavior. Her weight changed from 250 lbs to 300 lbs while she was thinking about it.😉
 
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