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BobCatholic
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What’s the difference between the born and unborn?
Age discrimination is not a good thing.
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Age discrimination is not a good thing.
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CradleCath
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Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant,
**and 27% as Catholic. **
Since they self-identify as Catholic, they must truly believe that they can remain Catholic & have an abortion. So much for “good” Catechesis. :bighanky:
And none of these figures equal the latest from Planned Parenthood…
And the statistic that just makes me sick at heart is this one:
Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant,
**and 27% as Catholic. **
Since they self-identify as Catholic, they must truly believe that they can remain Catholic & have an abortion. So much for “good” Catechesis. :bighanky:
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wynnejj
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Ouch! Ouch! 27% of 1.2 million means 324,000 Catholics killed each year. What if it was 324,000 Catholic teenagers each year? Would that make Catholics vote for Pro-Life candidates?
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CradleCath
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God gave us the free will which enables us to choose whether we will follow His way or go the way of the devil & the world. I pity anyone who only wants ONE child. People may have to settle for only one, maybe that’s all God sends them, maybe health problems demand a hysterectomy, etc…but, to only want one child…that’s a sad thing.
My will was to have 6 children, but my fifth pregnancy proved to be my last. I view my children, all grown now…as the proof of His love for me & my husband, my own greatest accomplishment & the source of much joy!! We didn’t have much money during my child-bearing years, but it proved to be enough.
I’m not condemning you & I’m sorry that you have had to live with your regrets…it’s just that I’ll never understand the reasoning behind such a choice.
Psalm 127:3,5
Behold, children are a gift of the Lord; the fruit of the womb is a reward. How blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them.
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Extempore
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Because our modern society emphasizes autonomy and individualism as cardinal virtues that trump all others and, unfortunately, many Catholics have bought into this lie.Where did this idea come from, that we are supposed to be “in charge” of our lives - that we get to decide how many kids we will have, or how rich or poor we will be, etc.?
Aren’t we supposed to just accept whatever God gives us, even if it wasn’t what we had thought we were going to have or do?
Ask any stranger about themselves. 9 chances out of 10 the first words out of their mouth will be what job they have, and where they live. It is a rarity to hear someone describe themselves in terms of their family and relationships.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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What I don’t understand is the ‘buyer’s remorse’ concerning this current administration: although the media liked to cover up his past associations and present philosophy, he SAID, very publicly, “I wouldn’t want my daughter PUNISHED with a baby.”
He made no attempt to hide the fact that he considered a baby not a gift from God, but a punishment to be corrected NOT via adoption but ABORTION.
He made no attempt to hide the fact that he considered a baby not a gift from God, but a punishment to be corrected NOT via adoption but ABORTION.
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wynnejj
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Autonomy & individualism & dual incomes & limited family size & large SUVs. These are considered secular virtues.
My father’s generation all had large families - that is, five children would be considered small. Wives did not work full-time jobs at all. In my family of eight, the kids worked odd jobs in the neighborhood for spending money and, half the money earned was returned to the parents to keep the whole ship afloat when times were tougher. Also the household chores were divided among the children. Money was tight but, we got by and frankly we had a lot in common with the “Leave it to Beaver” show except the two child family. The kids were not rowdy, and we were often complimented for our manners. I have very fond memories of my childhood, and enjoyed a very stable family life with absolutely no knowledge of some of the things kids face today. Television was clean and, often had moral stories. I was unaware of any drug activity in my high school, if it existed at all. I remember a rumor of one teenage pregnancy and, to me it was unbelievable.
It is not that kids today can’t find good things in life, but they are not as insulated from the nonsense of our sex obsessed society that seeks to rid themselves of the product of their passions or channel their perversion into alternative life styles. Limiting family size is considered being socially responsible.
As I left college into the workforce, the general acceptance of contraceptive mentality was prevalent among my peers. Pre-marital relations were the norm, not the exception. If a girl wanted to marry, pre-marital relations were almost a requirement to push the guy into the uncertain financial future. And the divorce rate climbed.
Word of Roe v Wade missed my ears during college, and ten years after the court decision, I learned the definition of the word “abortion” and that currently the abortion rate was 1.5 million a year. My draw dropped, and after the shock, I slowly grew extremely angry at my Mother the Church for not alerting parishioners at Sunday Mass, and mobilizing a pro-life effort.
As a kid, I used to marvel at how often TV celebrities divorced & re-married, and shook my head in disbelief. Divorce was less common than it is today, and I don’t think I knew of a single parent family.
My generation’s introduction into the forbidden fruit of the “sex and drugs and rock & roll” era sure did a number on our society. I still marvel at statements like “you don’t want to go back to the 50’s, do you?” and I can only reply “Uh! Yeah-ah!”.
I firmly believe that the predictions of the outcome of acceptance of contraception to limit family sizes leading to a breakdown of the family and moral order, as asserted in Humanae Vitae, is what we are seeing today. The Bible says to be fruitful and multiply, and only man has decided in his new science religion to countermand that order.
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LeroyCRHP
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They are both the same.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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I’m with you! Can we form a club or something?
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Coleski
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We live in the New Estate of Baal.
The whole idea of abortion and its justification, is that the adult is more important to society than and child. Women have abortions, for example, often for the reason that the child gets in the way of her plans. The logic is, if I have this child, I won’t be able to finish school. A friend of mine told me that her sister had an abortion when she became pregnant by her college boyfriend for these very reasons. The moral reason for abortion is no different than if the same young woman had put her newborn child in a trash can instead. The difference is but a few months. Out of sight is out of mind is no excuse. Otherwise we must make innocent those who, from lack of courage, employs a hit man. Abortion doctors are legal hit men. The real perpetrator goes free, or does she?
This is why marriage is sacred. Botched abortions do happen where the child survives. The dominant secularist regime is already giving support for having those children who survive the first attempt on their lives to be murdered regardless, by for example, leaving them an abandoned in supply rooms as so much trash. Ultimately, if our unborn and newborn babies are trash, then we are trash also. As been said; I stood by and said nothing, until they came for me.
A society that does this wholesale, as America now does, is on the road to extinction. Our children are our future. If the self’s or the hives of the moment are all that matters in our New Estate, then we are really back in that Old Estate of Baal. A place we seem to want to go back to, maybe forever. Jesus called it Gehenna, the worldly dump where the Baal worshipers dumped the remains of babies sacrificed to Baal, the symbol for evil and the abode of the damned.
The whole idea of abortion and its justification, is that the adult is more important to society than and child. Women have abortions, for example, often for the reason that the child gets in the way of her plans. The logic is, if I have this child, I won’t be able to finish school. A friend of mine told me that her sister had an abortion when she became pregnant by her college boyfriend for these very reasons. The moral reason for abortion is no different than if the same young woman had put her newborn child in a trash can instead. The difference is but a few months. Out of sight is out of mind is no excuse. Otherwise we must make innocent those who, from lack of courage, employs a hit man. Abortion doctors are legal hit men. The real perpetrator goes free, or does she?
This is why marriage is sacred. Botched abortions do happen where the child survives. The dominant secularist regime is already giving support for having those children who survive the first attempt on their lives to be murdered regardless, by for example, leaving them an abandoned in supply rooms as so much trash. Ultimately, if our unborn and newborn babies are trash, then we are trash also. As been said; I stood by and said nothing, until they came for me.
A society that does this wholesale, as America now does, is on the road to extinction. Our children are our future. If the self’s or the hives of the moment are all that matters in our New Estate, then we are really back in that Old Estate of Baal. A place we seem to want to go back to, maybe forever. Jesus called it Gehenna, the worldly dump where the Baal worshipers dumped the remains of babies sacrificed to Baal, the symbol for evil and the abode of the damned.
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wynnejj
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Sure can. I think the best way our little club could re-assert 50’s values is to vote with our money by hurting the TV propaganda industry. We have to force them to the same TV standards of years ago. You know when I first knew the TV industry was crossing the line. It was when I was very young and the show Burke’s Law came out. Gene Barry played a Beverly Hill’s playboy chief of homicide detectives. His subordinates would go to his home with a new homicide case, and the girls would come out of his boudoir, a different one each week. It was James Bond counterpart for TV. TV media is stifling political debate, avoiding moral issues such as abortion in the presidential debates, and filling our kids with anti-family sex-obsessive values.I’m with you! Can we form a club or something?
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wynnejj
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Hmmm. Equal Human Life Rights without Discrimination such as Age, Sex, Race, Religion, or Politics. Good point.
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wynnejj
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Along the same lines, when Jesus drove the money-changers out the temple, he used the words: “My house is a house of prayer for all but, you have made it a den of thieves.” That phrase is used in Jeremiah ch.7, when he is decrying temple worship that is unacceptable to God. It is basically about crimes against social justice in the Jewish religious state. Heck, it’s the template for the USCCB’s Faithful citizenship by listing crimes against the orphan & widow, resident alien, slaughter of innocents, murder & adultery. Then it singles out two specific crimes. Worship of Ishtar, goddess of fertility which at the time had ritual prostitution. Also the slaughter of the innocents in the sacrifice of their own sons & daughter to Moloch. These strange religions were corrupting the Jewish people’s true faith by assimilating in tolerance the pagan people’s practices.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Yay! I like this idea far better than simply abandoning that battlefield, as so many have done.
I watch a little bit of the Disney Channel and noticed that our cable provider is running ads for porn-ish shows IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. ON A KID’S CHANNEL.
Having trouble finding a decent address for the Disney Channel but they will get an earful when I do.
The current president never hid his stance on abortion. He baldly stated that babies were a ‘punishment,’ and that he would see one of his own children commit infanticide rather than be thus ‘punished.’
How can people still claim, “Gee, I didn’t know I was voting for Mr. Abortion-on-Demand?”
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wynnejj
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They can’t claim it in my opinion, unless they failed to do even modest research into the issues. or were more impressed by other issues. That is the very point of the thread, the down-playing of mass murder, equal to that of any other mass murder in history. The bottom line, people are insensitive to this murder with some kind of feeling that it is a lesser murder.
As BobCatholic pointed out, it is AGE Discrimination. Considering that a large proportion of minorities live in the cities where 80% of abortions occurs, one could make a very good case for RACE discrimination. After all, what is more racist than the mass genocide of the minority races in the city. It is also the opposing argument for the killing due to financial stress of the mother. If one really wants to fight the War on Poverty that way, I can think of a more direct way with a machine gun!!!
Once abortion through attrition solves the inner city War on Poverty, I predict the next step by population control advocates will be forced sterilization of those obtaining abortion as a penalty to keep abortion rare.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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I’m ping-ponging between despair and anger.
If this life doesn’t matter then maybe it doesn’t matter how many babies we kill, but something inside tells me that it’s pure evil not to stop it, not even to make an effort.
If this life doesn’t matter then maybe it doesn’t matter how many babies we kill, but something inside tells me that it’s pure evil not to stop it, not even to make an effort.
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Deacon_Ed_B
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Action needed to stop it is prayer. How many of us pray for and end to this holocaust daily. We look around and ask, what can I do. WE pray. Pray daily, several times a day and do not stop. The rosary changed the history of of the world at the battle of Lepanto Pray the rosary, pray the chaplet, go to adoration. Go to mass and communion more than just when required. These are our weapons. How many of us use them constantly.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
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wynnejj
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I’m beginning to agree wholeheartedly. I know that I need to develop this habit & spend less time on this forum bewailing our nation and our church’s condition. When arguing in defense of life and common decency, the blindness or acrimony of the opposition suggest the devil’s influence. No argument that entreats the heart & soul is possible under such heavy influence.
What America needs is a good exorcism by prayer, so that they come to see abortion as murder, not a “less murder” or “mercy killing” on an unwanted pregnancy due to bleak prospects for the baby’s future, that is being promoted as a means to an end of solving population control issues, poverty, and eugenics ideals. The ends never justify the means, no matter how good the ends.
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