Which Religions Believe in Predestination and Where did the Idea Originate?

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christosdavid said:
5 points are the Dutch Reformed response to Jacob Arminius and his followers in 1610.

There response ended up with the 5 points T = Total Depravity, U = Unconditional Election, L = Limited Atonement (sometimes called definate Redemtion), I = Irrisistible Grace, and P = Perseverance of the Saints.

I think in most Baptist or Evangelical Churches Calvinism really refers to just Predestination but the Dutch Reformed or Scottish Prebyterians also have historical links with John Clavin the person and therefore also use it to refer to other doctrines which he held such as on the Sacraments and church government.

Some Calvinists in an attempt to “water down” their more horrible doctrines (such as Limited Atonement) loose “petals” on their tulip and can call themselves 4 or 3 pointers, so your neighbours may well be 3 point Calvinists.

hope this adds some perspective
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Thank you XD (in Greek, Christos is spelled with X, chi, not “Ch”).

Stupid question to the Catholics among you: When the words in Consecration were changed from “for you and for all”, to “for you and for MANY”, is this a reference to Limited Atonement in the Calvin sense?

ICXC NIKA
 
All Christians (should) believe in it, but only Calvinists believe in double predestination (as mentioned earlier). Most believe we are predestined by God’s foreknowledge, or are by God’s will but in a way that doesn’t disturb our free will. It’s a big mystery
 
Predestinarianism is a valid belief in the Catholic Church. It is actually stated in the Catechism, taught by both Augustine and Aquinas and held by the Thomist faction of the Church. (may have my facts wrong, correct me if I need it 🙂 )

Predestination does not affect our free wills though. God has ordered and providentially arranged all things as in a way to keep our free wills intact. His perfect foreknowledge of how we would all act should certain things be done allows Him to do this. It allows the Bible to say that “God predestined Jesus’ death” but still be able to hold the Pharisees accountable for His being murdered. Predestination of the elect is also another doctrine we are ALLOWED to believe. I firmly believe in unconditional election coming from Calvinism, and the Church allows me to. BUT, man sinned first of our own free wills. If God therefore gives grace to some and hardens others, He is still just.

REMEMBER, we are NOT pelagianists. We NEED His grace. We CANNOT come to God of our own free wills. Therefore I believe God predestined, not based on any merit in us, who to give this grace to, which would move our hearts to Him. We still are required to cooperate, and we are still free in the matter though, differing from Calvinistic “irrisistable grace”. More like, effacious, where that grace will do what God wants it to do, but we are still free. Mary was born free of original sin, so therefore, could not have sinned, but was still free in choosing to accept God’s will.

John Calvin had alot right, but again, he had alot wrong too. I am an exCalvinist convert to the faith, I LOVE this kind of theology 🙂
 
meltzerboy said:
Of the three earliest Jewish sects–Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essenes–only the Essenes believed in predestination. My question is twofold. First, where did the idea of predestination originate (I don’t think the Essenes were the first to speak of this)? And second, are/were there any other religions, apart from Judaism and Christianity (in particular, Calvinism), that believe(d) in predestination?
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Do you have a source for this information? I’m writing a paper on predestination and would love to know where to find out that the Essenes were in fact believers of predestination. This kind of info would be great to have. Also, i realized know one actually answered your question, did you ever get an answer to that? Thanks
 
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