Which term would you rather prefer?

[YoungChristian]

since this is a sub forum where the rites of the church are discussed, I was wondering what term would you rather use to describe the west, Roman or Latin? It seems the Vatican uses Roman Catholic to describe the whole church, isn’t this incorrect?

 

[JRKH]

I’m not eastern…but actually I prefer “Latin Rite” Catholic as I find the term “Roman Catholic” to be confusing - and technically inaccurate.

The Church is no longer headquartered in Rome, but in the Vatican which is an independent state. So by rights if we wish to refer to the headquarters location it should be “Vatican Catholic”.

The official name of the Church is simply “Catholic”.

But - mostly I try not to get too hung up on the terms so long as everyone knows what is meant.

Peace
James

 

[wxornot]

The Church is Catholic. The main rite of the Church is Roman. There are still 22 other rites that are Catholic but not Roman.

 

[BVMFatima]

I’m not eastern…but actually I prefer “Latin Rite” Catholic as I find the term “Roman Catholic” to be confusing - and technically inaccurate.

The Church is no longer headquartered in Rome, but in the Vatican which is an independent state. So by rights if we wish to refer to the headquarters location it should be “Vatican Catholic”.

The official name of the Church is simply “Catholic”.

But - mostly I try not to get too hung up on the terms so long as everyone knows what is meant.

Peace
James

Then the terms Roman Pontiff, Roman Cura, and Roman Rite are also incorrect and shall be replaced with Vatican also.

The fact you said the term Roman Catholic is inaccurate is misleading, because the Church in the past has called itself the Holy Roman Church all this time. Don’t forget we " Latin Catholics " worship according to the Roman Rite.

 

[BVMFatima]

The Church is Catholic. The main rite of the Church is Roman. There are still 22 other rites that are Catholic but not Roman.

This

 

[JRKH]

Then the terms Roman Pontiff, Roman Cura, and Roman Rite are also incorrect and shall be replaced with Vatican also.

The fact you said the term Roman Catholic is inaccurate is misleading, because the Church in the past has called itself the Holy Roman Church all this time. Don’t forget we " Latin Catholics " worship according to the Roman Rite.

You are correct in all of the above…but since the OP asked what we ould “prefer”, I offered my personal opinion.

Peace
James

 

[Zekariya]

We say Byzantine Rite, Alexandrian Rite, etc. It sound dubious to me to say Latin Rite. Latin is a language; Roman is a Rite.

 

[BVMFatima]

You are correct in all of the above…but since the OP asked what we ould “prefer”, I offered my personal opinion.

Peace
James

Oh okay

 

[BVMFatima]

You are correct in all of the above…but since the OP asked what we ould “prefer”, I offered my personal opinion.

Peace
James

Oh okay, but PNCC and the Old Catholic Church and even the Lutherans and Anglicans are considered Latin Rite and plus they call themselves catholic, that’s why I also perfer Roman Rite Catholic to seperate myself from them

God Bless!
BVMFatima

 

[Elizium23]

I’m not eastern…but actually I prefer “Latin Rite” Catholic as I find the term “Roman Catholic” to be confusing - and technically inaccurate.

Funny - I find “Latin Rite” to be the inaccurate term, as it is a portmanteau of two official terms: “Latin Church” and “Roman Rite”. The sad thing is that popes have officially used the term “Latin Rite” and apparently alternated between two meanings: one, as a synonym for “Latin Church” and two, as “Latin Rites” as a collective term for the family of rites of the Latin Church. This has seemingly only added to the confusion. But the foundational documents are clear: The Code of Canon Law uses the term “Latin Church” only, and the GIRM uses the term “Roman Rite” only.

I don’t mind being called “Roman Catholic”, especially since my parish and diocese have both adopted that term in their official names. But for myself, I usually claim just the appellation “Catholic”, because I love the Eastern Churches and I have been known to worship with them, so why limit myself to the Roman Rite?

Here is a Wikipedia article on Roman Catholic (term) with a lot of information about what the Church uses officially and the history of the term.

 

[Denho]

We should stop speaking of rites, it is just plain incorrect. People are members of Churches, they practice a Rite. You should be speaking of Churches.

Latin or Roman Church, I could really care less. The Pope is the Bishop of Rome, the Roman Church - in the local sense. He is Patriarch of the Western/Latin Church - in that respect. Whatever floats your boat is fine.

The 20 some odd other groups are Churches in the fullest sense and should not be referred to as “rites.”

 

[Elizium23]

Latin or Roman Church, I could really care less. The Pope is the Bishop of Rome, the Roman Church - in the local sense. He is Patriarch of the Western/Latin Church - in that respect. Whatever floats your boat is fine.

Actually, the Pope is no longer called Patriarch of the West. This title was removed as obsolete in 2006.

 

[Nine_Two]

I shall call it Fred.

 

[Denho]

Actually, the Pope is no longer called Patriarch of the West. This title was removed as obsolete in 2006.

I didn’t say “West.” I said “Western Church” or “Latin Church”."

The Bishop of Rome is a patriarch even if he doesnt want to admit it anymore.

 

[BVMFatima]

I didn’t say “West.” I said “Western Church” or “Latin Church”."

The Bishop of Rome is a patriarch even if he doesnt want to admit it anymore.

Bishop of Rome means something, the head of the Roman Church aka Latin Church.

 

[twf]

I didn’t say “West.” I said “Western Church” or “Latin Church”."

The Bishop of Rome is a patriarch even if he doesnt want to admit it anymore.

He is certainly the patriarch or head of the Latin Church. The title “Patriarch of the West” has only been periodically used by the popes - it isn’t like he suddenly dropped it after centuries of consistent use. It was removed from the Annuario Pontificio in 2006, but it had only been introduced to that particular list of titles in the mid-1800s in the first place… Patriarch of the West is vague and doesn’t reflect the current reality of the Latin Church.

As has been pointed out before, legally in canon law, the Church sui iuris to which the 2000+ dioceses that worship prmarily according to the Roman Rite belong is the Latin Church…the Roman Church, in legal Church documents, almost always means the Diocese of Rome - not the Latin Church at large. There are other Rites that also belong to the Latin Church that are not Roman (eg. Ambrosian). I am a member of the Latin Church who worships according to the Roman Rite…

 

[BVMFatima]

He is certainly the patriarch or head of the Latin Church. The title “Patriarch of the West” has only been periodically used by the popes - it isn’t like he suddenly dropped it after centuries of consistent use. It was removed from the Annuario Pontificio in 2006, but it had only been introduced to that particular list of titles in the mid-1800s in the first place… Patriarch of the West is vague and doesn’t reflect the current reality of the Latin Church.

As has been pointed out before, legally in canon law, the Church sui iuris to which the 2000+ dioceses that worship prmarily according to the Roman Rite belong is the Latin Church…the Roman Church, in legal Church documents, almost always means the Diocese of Rome - not the Latin Church at large. There are other Rites that also belong to the Latin Church that are not Roman (eg. Ambrosian). I am a member of the Latin Church who worships according to the Roman Rite…

Latin Church and Roman Church are interchangable, both are valid and equal. However, I prefer using Roman because its the ancient name and is where the Western Church began and we are under the bishop of Rome

The Code of Canon Law introduction states of a " Church of the Roman Rite "
Plus, the Bishops and Archbishops, the Diocese and Archdiocese and even parishes use the term Roman Catholic. If its good enough for the Church its good for me also

God Bless!
BVMFatima

 

[Peter_J]

Latin Church and Roman Church are interchangable, both are valid and equal.

Correction: the majority of the Latin Church uses the Roman Rite. But there are also a small number who use the Mozarabic Rite, the Ambrosian Rite, etc.

 

[Peter_J]

He is certainly the patriarch or head of the Latin Church. The title “Patriarch of the West” has only been periodically used by the popes - it isn’t like he suddenly dropped it after centuries of consistent use. It was removed from the Annuario Pontificio in 2006, but it had only been introduced to that particular list of titles in the mid-1800s in the first place… Patriarch of the West is vague and doesn’t reflect the current reality of the Latin Church.

As has been pointed out before, legally in canon law, the Church sui iuris to which the 2000+ dioceses that worship prmarily according to the Roman Rite belong is the Latin Church…the Roman Church, in legal Church documents, almost always means the Diocese of Rome - not the Latin Church at large. There are other Rites that also belong to the Latin Church that are not Roman (eg. Ambrosian). I am a member of the Latin Church who worships according to the Roman Rite…

Well said. I only wish I had said it.

 

[BVMFatima]

Correction: the majority of the Latin Church uses the Roman Rite. But there are also a small number who use the Mozarabic Rite, the Ambrosian Rite, etc.

I agree, never have I rejected this.