Which type of pride is worse?

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Sensitive or insensitive people. Overly confidence or insecure people? I notice sensitive people take things too personal, have difficulty forgiving or letting go of harsh words. They seem to expect the world to be fair to them. Insensitive people can easily take a joke, don’t get bothered easily but they have difficulty realizing their words have power. Who has more of an issue of pride? I notice insensitive people can easily forgive and forget. They don’t suffer from the vanity of caring what others think or letting words hurt them. Insults mean nothing to such people. Which is worse a person who doesn’t believe they can accomplish anything versus a person who stretches themselves out too thin because they think can do anything?
I guess the Lord wants balance but I seem to think life is easier for those who are calm, self controlled, rational, realistic, and independent?
I wonder why some people struggle to forgive, take criticism so personally, etc.
Why can’t we all be strong?
 
Insensitive doesn’t equate to all of those things you said at the end of your post.
 
Sensitive pride is worse imho.
I think all pride contains a degree of sensitivity so when it is 100% sensitive it is worse than just the actively aggressive insensitive pride.
Sensitivity is circular and very tight because it contains a great deal of self-pity which is very painful especially for the one who experiences it. Because it is so painful to the self it is very hard to make sense of what is going on when you feel it and it grips you. Sensitive pride is definitely work of the oldest smartest demons. And it’s also usually passive aggressive.
I see insensitive people to tell you if you offended them to tell you right away even if they might yell “you’ve offended me!” or “no, you are wrong!” or “you know nothing!” or critic you back.
The sensitive ones to be more like, when everything is nice and peaceful to abruptly start a discussion with “do you remember 2 years ago how deeply you offended me by this?” and they usually don’t remember which makes matters worse. Because of their sensitivity the second type of people do need a peaceful environment to feel comfortable to tell you what they hold against you. But they end up breaking the peace because they bring up a storm on a sunny day.
I also see sensitive pride to produce more often gossip. Because of fear of offending anyone with their critics they would also hold it back and try to ignore it. And then, because they do consider that situation wrong, to bring it up to someone who cannot take offence like… a third party. And the chain of gossip begins.
 
People in medieval times used to like to organize and categorize and enumerate things. They were very tidy. There’s a book called “The Kalendar and Compost of Shepherds”, which was published by Guy Marchant in Paris in 1493, and was translated into English c. 1518, and was republished by H & J Pillans & Wilson, Edinburgh, in 1931. Which I say because there’s also a book called “The Calendar of Shepherds” which is totally different.

So, one of the things they did in this book was look at the seven deadly sins. All right, you have something like Pride-- what falls under Pride? What’s the worst kind of Pride? What’s the lesser forms of Pride? What are examples of each kind of Pride?

Over-confidence and insecurity are often two sides of the same coin— “I’m the greatest and you’re not going to tell me that there’s a better way to do x” vs “Oh, I’m so awful, I need you to tell me that I’m the greatest so that you don’t let me keep thinking I’m awful.” It’s an exaggeration, but you know what I mean.

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Which are the oldest demons? I don’t know if I fully agree with you though. I don’t think aggressive pride nurtures peace either. They may say what they want and forget but that doesn’t necessarily make them better. Who gave them the authority to pick others apart anyways?
 
I see it more like aggressive people may start a war, but to keep it going for a long time it takes sensitive people to do so. If you think about it to just sign a peace treatee even when things are inconclusive is an aggressive act.
 
That is true. Kind of like a sensitive person will not easily forgive or forget an offense as easily. I guess two aggressive people can fight it out then move on. Hmmm. One pride is more internal and other is external. It seems the sensitive pride is more self destructive then will slowly transfer to others. The other type of pride is straightforward. I’m not sure which is more difficult to correct in others though.
 
I understand pride is the greatest sin but it is inherent in almost everyone. Some types of pride are more deep rooted than others.
 
From my experience the hardest to correct is the internal sensitive type. Even within myself.
EG Am I too vain (external) ? I force myself to give up makeup for some time and survive.
Am I bitter (internal)? Wow, that is hard.
I have talked with aggressive people about what I think and they stroke back but when we let it go is most likely gone. The more introvertite say it’s cool and I get tiny signs that maybe it is not even they say so. Or maybe I am too introvertite in a proud way and see signs where they are not? I mean I know I am but how deep does it go?
We cannot judge ourselves. This I feel Jesus told us, the Church reitterated, psychology confirms it. When we are lost within ourselves I fear all that is moral inside us is consumed by our futile attempts to judge ourselves.
 
I don’t know to combat bitterness. Each has it’s pros and cons. I think this is matter of personal preference. I’m not sure which is worse in the eyes of the Lord. Harboring resentment is bad so is domineering conversations with use of aggression. Some can easily deal with harsh, critical people and take their words with a grain of salt. Others cannot stand those who sulk. Aggressive people don’t seem to respect the dignity of the person. Some people like people who call out what they are wrong in others, ultimately no one is perfect/neither temperament. If you say the wrong thing to a sensitive person, she has the right to cut you off. It may seem wrong. People still need to be responsible for their words the same way others need to be responsible for their feelings.
 
Neither. Pride is pride and it is down to the individual. We may make certain allowances for those who are apparently insensitive or apparently sensitive. E.g. we may think some are insensistive when in actual fact they are merely hiding insecurity and whilst pretending to forgive & forget harbour deep hatred. In the same way some who appear to be sensistive may struggle to forgive but in actual fact have forgiven really in the heart (the external influence telling them to avenge or retaliate may prevent them for expressing forgiveness).
 
Some people get in lively arguments without harboring illwill. For some when an argument is settled it is settled. I think I’ve spent too much time comparing people’s outer behavior. I can only guess through actions who has or has not forgiven. I like the idea of only God knowing the truth ultimately.
As much as I have doubts, insecurities, etc. I like believing God knows the truth and only God knows what right and wrong truly is.
It can be difficult for me. I would love to live up to the ideal but in all honesty I’m fearful I’ll fail or God will expose my insecurities, weakness, doubt.
I think humans are more similar than we think.
 
It seems easier to be an insensitive person in this life. I keep wondering if you are independent, rational human being why would you need God or religion?
 
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