Who founded the church in Rome ?

[PNEUMA]

How would you reconcile your interpretation with the Council of Jerusalem reported in Acts 15?

There was only ever one Church, with an ever-expanding number of local gatherings.

Well here we have the church in Jerusalem discussing the church in Antioch the theme is circumcision.
But they never really got over it, thats way all the bishops of Jerusalem were circumcised.

Bishop James the Just (-62 AD)
Bishop Simeon I (62-107 AD)
Bishop Justus I (107-113 AD)
Bishop Zaccheus (113-??? AD)
Bishop Tobias (???-??? AD)
Bishop Benjamin I (???-117 AD)
Bishop John I (117-??? AD)
Bishop Matthias I (???-120 AD)
Bishop Philip (???-124 AD)
Bishop Senecas (???-??? AD)
Bishop Justus II (???-??? AD)
Bishop Levis (???-??? AD)
Bishop Ephram (???-??? AD)
Bishop Joseph I (???-??? AD)
Bishop Judas (???-135 AD)

And thats way the “Church of the Gentiles” founded by Gentiles in Rome. Proved more successful than the Churches in Jerusalem and Antioch founded by the Christian Jews headed by Peter.

Peter understood this, thats way he left Jerusalem and Antioch, and came to Rome.

 

[twinc]

The Brit Caratacus was commented her: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6484274&postcount=8

Pomponia Graecina (wife of Aulus Plautius) was not a Brit, she was a Roman Christian.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomponia_Graecina

it is stated elsewhere that Pomponia was sister to Caractacus while her aunt Blonwen was the daughter of Cunobelinus who was father to her and Caractacus.The Claudia and Linus mentioned in the NT were daughter and son to Caractacus.Blonwen is believed to be the Imogen of Shakespeare in his Cymbeline - twinc

 

[twinc]

it is stated elsewhere that Pomponia was sister to Caractacus while her aunt Blonwen was the daughter of Cunobelinus who was father to her and Caractacus.The Claudia and Linus mentioned in the NT were daughter and son to Caractacus.Blonwen is believed to be the Imogen of Shakespeare in his Cymbeline - twinc

sought and were readily granted sanctuary in England - it has also been stated,as I read it, that the Jews in Rome seemed to suspect that the Christians caused the great fire - one is left to wonder who really caused it ? If it was the Christians did they not realise the price they would have to pay or was it Nero as some state or was it really just a simple accident after all - twinc

 

[Todd_Easton]

Therefore there was a fusion of the two Churches (Church of the Circumcised and the Uncircumcised) symbolized by Peter and Paul. Even though Paul wasn’t the founder of the “Church of the Uncircumcised” in Rome.

I don’t know where you get the idea that there were two separate Christian Churches in Rome, a Church of the Uncircumcised (Christian Gentiles) and a Church of the Circumcised (Christian Jews). The visitors from Rome, who were among the first Christian converts, mentioned in Acts 2:10, and presumably returned to Rome thereafter, were undoubtedly “devout Jews,” not Gentiles, as indicated in Acts 2:5.

In Romans 16:3-16, St. Paul greets many individuals by name, including some of whom he calls his “kinsmen,” which says to me that some of those he was greeting were fellow Jewish-Christians, like Aquila. (Romans 16:3; Acts 18:2)

 

[PNEUMA]

it is stated elsewhere that Pomponia was sister to Caractacus while her aunt Blonwen was the daughter of Cunobelinus who was father to her and Caractacus.The Claudia and Linus mentioned in the NT were daughter and son to Caractacus.Blonwen is believed to be the Imogen of Shakespeare in his Cymbeline - twinc

How cold Pomponia Graecina a Roman woman be the sister of a Brit Caratacus ?
When she was the wife of Aulus Plautius who brought Caratacus as a captive from Britain to Rome in AD 51 ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomponia_Graecina

And how could Claudia and Linus two adults be the daughter and son to Caractacus ?
When he alone was brought as a captive from Britain to Rome in AD 51 ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Linus

 

[inkaneer]

Paul’s letter to the church in Rome, is the only letter to a church he did not found. Paul wrote the letter in AD 57-58 from Corinth, 25 years after the resurrection.

**Romans 1 > ** To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world.

Who founded the world famous church in Rome ? And when ?

I need some documentations or convincing arguments, not only “it was Peter” statements.

The expulsion of Jews from Rome in AD 49 included the Jewish Christians. Are they the founders ?

The church in Rome was established by Peter. Eusebius of Caesarea records thusly:

“[In the second] year of the two hundredth and fifth Olympiad [A.D. 42]: The apostle Peter, after he has established the church in Antioch, is sent to Rome, where he remains as a bishop of that city, preaching the gospel for twenty-five years” (The Chronicle [A.D. 303]).

Peter is in Rome after establishing Elvodius as the second bishop of Antioch. Quite possibly he leaves Rome when the Jews are expelled or he goes to Jerusalem to keep tabs on what is going on there. One suggestion is that the Apostles are gathered for the Dormition of Mary. There is some discrepancy in that at the time of the council Antioch does not seem to have a bishop as it is still missionary ground. But Paul’s missionary work started before 49-51 AD which is the usual date for the council. Researching under “bishops of Antioch” I find Peter is named as bishop from 37-53 AD and Elvodius from 53-69 AD. This doesn’t make sense as the crises in Antioch would have occurred when Peter was supposedly there. But Jerome seems to verify the 42 AD date:

“Simon Peter, the son of John, from the village of Bethsaida in the province of Galilee, brother of Andrew the apostle, and himself chief of the apostles, after having been bishop of the church of Antioch and having preached to the Dispersion . . . pushed on to Rome in the second year of Claudius to overthrow Simon Magus, and held the sacerdotal chair there for twenty-five years until the last, that is the fourteenth, year of Nero. At his hands he received the crown of martyrdom being nailed to the cross with his head towards the ground and his feet raised on high, asserting that he was unworthy to be crucified in the same manner as his Lord” (Lives of Illustrious Men 1 [A.D. 396])."

 

[twinc]

How cold Pomponia Graecina a Roman woman be the sister of a Brit Caratacus ?
When she was the wife of Aulus Plautius who brought Caratacus as a captive from Britain to Rome in AD 51 ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomponia_Graecina

And how could Claudia and Linus two adults be the daughter and son to Caractacus ?
When he alone was brought as a captive from Britain to Rome in AD 51 ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Linus

dont you know,has no more told you the Romans regarded blond haired, blue eyed brits as a real treasure,in fact as angels and not angles.Claudia and Linus were kept as hostages while Caractacus was freed and returned to keep the peace - the Brits were not savages but more educated and cultured than the savage Romans - twinc

 

[twinc]

dont you know,has no more told you the Romans regarded blond haired, blue eyed brits as a real treasure,in fact as angels and not angles.Claudia and Linus were kept as hostages while Caractacus was freed and returned to keep the peace - the Brits were not savages but more educated and cultured than the savage Romans - twinc

btw what exactly is the problem - Helena a brit and daughter to Old King Cole[a brit]of Colchester was mother to Constantine etc - twinc

 

[NHInsider]

There’s plenty of evidence of A/S in Rome by the fourth century - St. Helena being only the best-known example. But since the question is about the origins of the Church at Rome, the focus is on second-half of the first century.

There was, of course, a busy trade route between Rome and London by the mid-first century. From the 40s on Britain was an important source of iron, tin, precious metals, timber and livestock.

Cornwall, I believe was supplying most of the Empire’s tin . . . the legend is that that’s where Joseph of Arimathea’s money came from.

 

[rcwitness]

The church in Rome was established by Peter. Eusebius of Caesarea records thusly:

“[In the second] year of the two hundredth and fifth Olympiad [A.D. 42]: The apostle Peter, after he has established the church in Antioch, is sent to Rome, where he remains as a bishop of that city, preaching the gospel for twenty-five years” (The Chronicle [A.D. 303]).

Peter is in Rome after establishing Elvodius as the second bishop of Antioch. Quite possibly he leaves Rome when the Jews are expelled or he goes to Jerusalem to keep tabs on what is going on there. One suggestion is that the Apostles are gathered for the Dormition of Mary. There is some discrepancy in that at the time of the council Antioch does not seem to have a bishop as it is still missionary ground. But Paul’s missionary work started before 49-51 AD which is the usual date for the council. Researching under “bishops of Antioch” I find Peter is named as bishop from 37-53 AD and Elvodius from 53-69 AD. This doesn’t make sense as the crises in Antioch would have occurred when Peter was supposedly there. But Jerome seems to verify the 42 AD date:

“Simon Peter, the son of John, from the village of Bethsaida in the province of Galilee, brother of Andrew the apostle, and himself chief of the apostles, after having been bishop of the church of Antioch and having preached to the Dispersion . . . pushed on to Rome in the second year of Claudius to overthrow Simon Magus, and held the sacerdotal chair there for twenty-five years until the last, that is the fourteenth, year of Nero. At his hands he received the crown of martyrdom being nailed to the cross with his head towards the ground and his feet raised on high, asserting that he was unworthy to be crucified in the same manner as his Lord” (Lives of Illustrious Men 1 [A.D. 396])."

Yes, a resurrected thread! Just wanted to say this post sounds interesting. Does anyone have some more quoted from early Church fathers? I have also read St. Irenaeus’.