Who Has the Final Authority?

[mwok]

How so…?

Well in the same book you can look in one section(Spanish) and look up ‘Comer’, it translates it to English ‘To eat’. Then you look in the other section(English) and look up ‘Eat’, it translates it to Spanish ‘Comer’. Self translating…no need for an interpreter, just go to Mexico or Spain with a Spanish/English dictionary and you will be speaking with the natives and will know exactly what they are saying!

 

[boastinjesus]

Yes because they MISUNDERSTOOD the scriptures. Yes they were holding to traditions in contradiction to God…not the scriptures. God is above the scriptures,not vice versa. Do you worship a sacred text or God?

BTW: Christianity is a religion of the person: Jesus Christ. Christianity is NOT the religion of the book as Protestants make it out to be.

Please don’t accuse me of worshipping a book instead of God. What you generalized about all Protestants would be like me saying:

BTW: Christianity is a religion of the person: Jesus Christ. Christianity is NOT the religion of tradition as Catholics make it out to be. Do you worship sacred tradition or God?

That would be both unfair and silly.

Secondly, I never said that Matt. 22:29 was Jesus teaching Sola Scriptura. Please don’t put words in my mouth or change the topic. You accused me of holding to an interpretation that is “seriously flawed.” You agreed that Jesus condemned them for holding to a tradition that is wrong because it is in contradiction to God. I agree. The question is: Why did Jesus say they should have known the tradition was wrong?

Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God…”

He clearly pointed them to Scripture as the authority. The question is simple: In this instance, did Jesus condemn them for holding to an erroneous tradition by pointing to Scripture?

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Interpretation of the bible? Who on earth can interpret God?

The Catholic Church does not interpret scripture. She has revealed scripture to defeat heresy. But to my knowledge She does not interpret sacred scripture.

The Catholic church is the living inspired Word of God bodily. If the Catholic Church interprets scripture She does so from here biblical revealed practices in worship and following Christ, by “Living the Gospels”, stumbling at times to be sure, yet from her historical virtueous faith in Jesus she proves her faith and walk in Christ from her apostles, martyrs and saints both living and in heaven.

The question is who possesses the keys of the kingdom of heaven in order to bind and loose on earth and Jesus will bind and loose in heaven what ever Peter binds and looses.

Jesus never writes. Jesus is not dead He lives in His body the Catholic Church as our Head. Jesus is the Word of God made flesh.

I believe Sola Scriptura is a man made device to remove us from the divine revelation that Jesus has never left His Catholic Church. Thus who can interpret God?

Luke 24:44He said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the law of Moses and in the prophets and psalms must be fulfilled.”w 45Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures.

46* And he said to them,y “Thus it is written that the Messiah would suffer and rise from the dead on the third day 47and that repentance, for the forgiveness of sins, would be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.z 48You are witnesses of these things.a 49And [behold] I am sending the promise of my Father upon you; but stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”*

Jesus opened the scriptures to the mind of the Apostolic Catholic Church to understand “All the scriptures”.

Luke 24:27 Then beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them what referred to him in all the scriptures.

This is Sacred Tradition living out what Jesus revealed to His Church unchanged today. Where is this body of believers that Jesus revealed “ALL” The scriptures and opened their minds? Only one exists since the resurrection "The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Peace

 

[Nicea325]

boastinjesus:

Please don’t accuse me of worshipping a book instead of God. What you generalized about all Protestants would be like me saying:

BTW: Christianity is a religion of the person: Jesus Christ. Christianity is NOT the religion of tradition as Catholics make it out to be. Do you worship sacred tradition or God?

That would be both unfair and silly.

First of all, Catholics do not place Tradition above Scripture or the Church. Traditions come from the Apostles themselves.

Secondly, I never said that Matt. 22:29 was Jesus teaching Sola Scriptura. Please don’t put words in my mouth or change the topic. You accused me of holding to an interpretation that is “seriously flawed.” You agreed that Jesus condemned them for holding to a tradition that is wrong because it is in contradiction to God. I agree. The question is: Why did Jesus say they should have known the tradition was wrong?

Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God…”

He clearly pointed them to Scripture as the authority. The question is simple: In this instance, did Jesus condemn them for holding to an erroneous tradition by pointing to Scripture?

No…wrong again! Lookl at the bolded letters I highlighted for you. You keep on insisting Scripture as “the” authority. Please point to me the words in Matt 22:29 where it states Scripture is the final authority? No where does Jesus claim scripture is “the” authority in reference to his statement in Matt 22:29,but you alone. It is you who is putting words in Jesus’ mouth.

 

[joe370]

Well in the same book you can look in one section(Spanish) and look up ‘Comer’, it translates it to English ‘To eat’. Then you look in the other section(English) and look up ‘Eat’, it translates it to Spanish ‘Comer’. Self translating…no need for an interpreter, just go to Mexico or Spain with a Spanish/English dictionary and you will be speaking with the natives and will know exactly what they are saying!

And that is how, perhaps, scripture interprets scripture?

 

[pablope]

He spoke from John and that was in his introductory remarks. It certainly wasn’t his main point. The point I was trying to make was that there seems to be some diversity of doctrine within the RCC even to the point of who God used to write the gospels…

That was the priest’s personal opinion. It is not doctrine. Doctrine and dogmas are defined by the Magisterium.

There are indeed diverse opinions, but not diverse doctrines and dogmas.