Who was first?

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I apologize for my ignorance, but who was first…the King James or the Catholic bible? And why is one more “right” than the other?
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Hi Kathy - Here’s the scoop:
1582-1609 Douay Rheims
This translation was done from the Vulgate by Gregory Martin and William Allen in Douay and Rheims, France.
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1611 King James Bible (Authorized Version)
King James I appointed 54 of the best scholars in England to revise the Bishop’s Bible. It took them seven years. The authorities authorized this translation which had enormous influence on the minds of people, and on English literature. The New Testament in the King James translation was taken, with few exceptions, from the Catholic Douay Rheims translation, which was completed 29 years previously. Like all translations, the King James translation had errors in it. In the last century, Protestant Scripture scholars met to come up with a better translation because there were several thousand errors in the existing King James translation.
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Source: “To Tell You the Whole Truth About the Church and the Holy Bible” from the home page of St. Charles Borromeo Catholic Church in Picayune, MS
scborromeo.org/index2.htm
(Just go to the frame on the left and hit “The Truth”)
 
Fidelis said there were ‘some’ errors in the KJV. Only about 35,000 or so!!

But of course, the Catholic Bible came first. The Epistles of St. Paul (some) were circulating as written documents by as early as 50 AD; the Synoptic Gospels by (at latest) 100 AD; St. John by about 110 AD; and the book of Revelation by about 120/140 AD. The Canon as we have it now was pretty much established by the 4th Century AD. and St. Jerome had translated the Greek Testaments into Latin circa 382 AD (the so called ‘Vulgate’ Bible)

The Council of Trent (1543-1563) thought it best to define the Canon only because the Protestants were denying so much of the Scriptures and challenging the Canon. The Douay-Rheims grew out of this momentous Council which sparked the ‘Counter-Reformation’. First, the New Testament was published in Rheims in 1582, then the Old Testament at Douai in 1609 (hence ‘Douai-Rheims’).

And never forget; it was Martin Luther who wrote:

" We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of it at all."

I hope this helps. :tiphat:
 
the first bible to be printed was the Guttenberg bible, a Catholic bible, if that is what you are asking, years before the KJV which was actually a late-comer in vernacular translations.
 
Remember also that the Catholic Church allowed many vernacular Bibles (in English, German, Polish, etc. and many more) to be translated long before King James and Co., Martin Luther or any other protestant tried their hand at it.

Some claim that Wycliff and Tynsdale are great heroes of the vernacular Bible and that it was because of their efforts that protestant bibles like the KJV came about. However, King Henry VIII and the Anglican Church rejected Tynsdale’s “bible” as not worthy to be circulated in the realm and St. Thomas Moore said something akin to that looking for errors in the Tynsdale bible was like looking for water in the ocean!
 
Fidelis said there were ‘some’ errors in the KJV. Only about 35,000 or so!!
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Actually I didn’t say it, the source that I cited did, which went on to point out the errors in the KJV numbered in the several thousands. 🙂
But of course, the Catholic Bible came first. The Epistles of St. Paul (some) were circulating as written documents by as early as 50 AD; the Synoptic Gospels by (at latest) 100 AD; St. John by about 110 AD; and the book of Revelation by about 120/140 AD.
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Equally compelling arguments can be made for an earlier composition date for John’s Gospel (at the end of the first century; Navarre Bible Commentary on John, p.14) and the Book of Revelation, (around 96 AD; * Navarre Bible Commentary on the Book of Revelation*, p. 14, or even prior to 70 AD, according to Scott Hahn in The Lambs Supper).
 
Kathy,

I highly recommend the book, *“Where We Got The Bible” *by Henry Graham, a former Presbyterian minister who converted to Catholicism and eventually became a Bishop.

JU
 
The KJV and other protestant bibles leave out several old testament books. I believe the original bible was the Latin Vulgate.
 
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The KJV and other protestant bibles leave out several old testament books. I believe the original bible was the Latin Vulgate.
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As originally published, the KJV included the deutero-canonical books (apocrypha) along with 3&4 Esdras and the Prayer of Manasseh. Indeed, many Anglican editions of the KJV still include those books between the Old and New Testament.

The biggest difference between the KJV and the Douay-Rheims is that the former relies on original texts while the latter relies on the Clementine Edition of the Latin Vulgate, a translation done by St. Jerome.

The KJV translators also took deliberate steps to translate around certain Catholic doctrines and devotions. For example, the traditional translation of “full of grace” in St. Luke’s Gospel was changed to “thou that art highly favored” because the translators felt the phrase “full of grace” contributed to Catholic Marian devotions and wished to suppress these vestiges of Catholicism in the English populace.
 
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