Who will be to the right and left of Jesus?

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This question is just speculation more than anything, but I had a thought on the way out of a your usual normal looking Catholic church.
During the Transfiguration, Moses and Elijah appeared at both sides of Jesus. I can’t remember the passage or exactly how it went, but elsewhere in the New Testament, Jesus is asked by a woman if her sons can sit at His Right Hand, and one at His Left. Jesus tells this person that they do not know what they are asking. I know that being at the “right hand” means to be in a position of favor. (Jesus sits at the Right Hand of The Father). Every Catholic church I go to (the vast majority) has a statue of The Blessed Virgin Mary on the right and St. Joseph on the left. We can’t know who “sits” where until we see it for sure or Jesus tells us, but could it be foreshadowing that The Virgin Mary and St. Joseph will be at the right and left of Jesus. Out of all the saints, Our Lady and St. Joseph are spoken most highly of by all the other saints (more than any other saints).
Just a thought…
 
In my oppinion,I would say there is a seat that sits to the left that is reserved for the Holy Spirit. Jesus said I will send a Helper to be with you,the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit is finished with its mission here on earth the Holy Spirit will take its rightful seat. 👍 God Bless
 
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In my oppinion,I would say there is a seat that sits to the left that is reserved for the Holy Spirit. Jesus said I will send a Helper to be with you,the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit is finished with its mission here on earth the Holy Spirit will take its rightful seat. 👍 God Bless
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The Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, one in substance and undivided.
 
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In my oppinion,I would say there is a seat that sits to the left that is reserved for the Holy Spirit. Jesus said I will send a Helper to be with you,the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit is finished with its mission here on earth the Holy Spirit will take its rightful seat. 👍 God Bless
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Jesus’ left and right sides were reserved for those whom his heavenly Father wished to exalt. That’s right in the Gospels. Your theory can only have come from your imagination.
 
The Father will be to his left and Mary will be to his right!

Isnt that pretty obvious or am i missing something?? :confused:
 
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The Father will be to his left and Mary will be to his right!

Isnt that pretty obvious or am i missing something?? :confused:
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Yes, like SpokenWord, you are making a human being out of the wrong member of the Holy Trinity. He did with with the Holy Spirit and you are doing it with God the Father. Since Jesus Christ took on human form he retains his human body. Other humans will be honored with him, as they are when a king has his favorites sitting on his left and on his right. Most Catholics believe it will be/is Mary and Joseph. Not just because Mary gave birth to him and Joseph was his step father, but because of all the Saints they best exemplify what we as fellow followers of Christ ought to be like. So, it is to them the honor goes.
 
Let me put it a different way…
I had understood it to mean at the right/left hand of God, The Blessed Trinity. Basically that they are at the right and left hand side of The Blessed Trinity as a whole since God is One…therefore The Blessed Trinity sort of “appoints” those two positions to whom He has reserved them for.
Make any more sense at all???
 
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flick427:
This question is just speculation more than anything, but I had a thought on the way out of a your usual normal looking Catholic church.
During the Transfiguration, Moses and Elijah appeared at both sides of Jesus. I can’t remember the passage or exactly how it went, but elsewhere in the New Testament, Jesus is asked by a woman if her sons can sit at His Right Hand, and one at His Left. Jesus tells this person that they do not know what they are asking. I know that being at the “right hand” means to be in a position of favor. (Jesus sits at the Right Hand of The Father). Every Catholic church I go to (the vast majority) has a statue of The Blessed Virgin Mary on the right and St. Joseph on the left. We can’t know who “sits” where until we see it for sure or Jesus tells us, but could it be foreshadowing that The Virgin Mary and St. Joseph will be at the right and left of Jesus. Out of all the saints, Our Lady and St. Joseph are spoken most highly of by all the other saints (more than any other saints).
Just a thought…
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The two theives on the crosses were on Christ’s right and left.
 
The reason the apostles were arguing who was the greatest was because Jesus had promised them 12 thrones to judge the new Israel from in heaven.

These thrones (as an aside, throne is the name of an angel) that the apostles will sit on correspond to the position at table.
That is what made the argument between James and John so painful. Peter, the eldest, held one position of honor. John took the other – but James/John wanted to usurp Peter’s position.
The re-arrangement of rulership was unacceptable. Peter was the oldest, period. God the father reserved the places based on their age, and Jesus had already selected the Apostles in prayer to the father.

Now, who actually will be at one side and the other?
Presuming they made it to heaven, it would be (St.) Peter and (St.) John. Now, there is one other person who can sit in the place of honor in a Hebrew dynasty, and that is the kings mother.

As far a physics, and physical arrangement goes, I have NO idea what heaven is like.

🙂
 
I don’t have the references at hand. Some place it was prophesied that the Messiah would be manifested between two beasts.

This was fulfilled in a way by the ox and the *** in the stable. but even more by the two criminals who were crucified with Him.

Note that Jesus states that the places are reserved right after He asks if they can drink of the cup from which He drinks.

This is sketchy and from a fallible memory, but maybe it will give someone an idea to pursue. :twocents: [probably much less than 2]
 
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I don’t have the references at hand. Some place it was prophesied that the Messiah would be manifested between two beasts.

This was fulfilled in a way by the ox and the *** in the stable. but even more by the two criminals who were crucified with Him.

Note that Jesus states that the places are reserved right after He asks if they can drink of the cup from which He drinks.

This is sketchy and from a fallible memory, but maybe it will give someone an idea to pursue. :twocents: [probably much less than 2]
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I remember the reading or hearing the same thing. I couldn’t remember where though.
 
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flick427:
Let me put it a different way…
I had understood it to mean at the right/left hand of God, The Blessed Trinity. Basically that they are at the right and left hand side of The Blessed Trinity as a whole since God is One…therefore The Blessed Trinity sort of “appoints” those two positions to whom He has reserved them for.
Make any more sense at all???
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Actually no, because God the Father would then take the center place since he comes first in authority, as St. Paul explained it.

Jesus was talking about the coming kingdom of redeemed and saved humanity. Jesus will never abandon his human nature. The hypostatic union of his divinity with his humanity will not be reversed. Therefore, he literally has a left and a right side at which those human beings for whom it is reserved will sit. I am certain that one is Mary. Perhaps the other might be Peter not Joseph, but we’ll have to wait to see since God has not revealed that to us.
 
Maybe it will be Mary and Mary Magdalene 🙂 I agree that one for certain is Mary but I don’t have much idea who the other will be. It could also be Francis of Assisi or perhaps Elijah. I don’t think it will be Peter but God is full of surprises!
 
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). Every Catholic church I go to (the vast majority) has a statue of The Blessed Virgin Mary on the right and St. Joseph on the left.
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Interesting, the church I attend has Mary on the left and Joseph on the right.
 
You may have to specify which left and right you are talking about. Right/left from your perspective or right/left from Christ’s perspective IYKWIM.
 
Just to add some spice to the discussion:

Scripture tells us that the mother of the king sits on the right hand side of the king.

1 Kings 2:19 Then Bethsabee came to king Solomon, to speak to him for Adonias: and the king arose to meet her, and bowed to her, and sat down upon his throne: and a throne was set for the king’s mother, and she sat on his right hand.

Peace in Christ…Salmon
 
Jesus’ left and right sides were reserved for those whom his heavenly Father wished to exalt. That’s right in the Gospels. Your theory can only have come from your imagination.
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Hi Della, The truth is none of us know.Mine is also an assumption. I guess we will have to wait and see for your guess would be as good as mine.If I was a betting man I,d stay with my assumption though. :confused: God Bless
 
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Hi Della, The truth is none of us know.Mine is also an assumption. I guess we will have to wait and see for your guess would be as good as mine.If I was a betting man I,d stay with my assumption though. :confused: God Bless
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I don’t expect to see the Holy Spirit in a place. (Except perhaps as a dove). I would have a hard time seeing the Holy spirit placed in less honor than the son, even assuming God granted the vision of the Holy spirit in a place. If so, what of a vision of the Father?
How would a trinity represent itself such that the proper dignity is accorded to each?

The scripture passage in the thread starter is about the mother of James and John, Zebedee’s sons.
Mt: 20:20

Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came up to him [Jesus], with her sons, and kneeling before him she asked him for something. And he said to her, “What do you want?”
She said to him, “Command that these two sons of mine may sit, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your kingdom”
The reason she makes the request is the promise that Jesus made to the Twelve just previous in Matthew’s narrative.
Mt: 19:27-28

Then Peter said in reply, “Lo, we have left everything and followed you. What then shall we have?” Jesus said to them, "Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of man shall sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. … "​

I am not saying that Joseph and Mary and others will NOT be seated next to Jesus somehow too. (Some saints are known to bilocate, why not our Lord? ) (This is one thing I meant by Physics of Heaven), but Jesus is promising rulership to the Twelve in his capacity as the Son of David. Therefore, his offer is based on the tradition of Hebraic Dynasties.

The ODD thing about the request of Zebedee’s mother is that it would require usurping the order established by God. The Eldest took his seat at one place around the table, and the youngast at the other. That is, the places of honor were arranged by age.
The oldest and youngest were nearest to Jesus.

In essence, Peter is being denigrated by Zebedee’s mother as are the the other nine. For John is the YOUNGEST apostle.
John already had the place of honor given to him by his age – next to Jesus on one side. James did not.
Zebedee’s mother was saying that she wished Jesus to over-rule the established order and have James placed before ALL other apostles. ( Hence the major indignation by ALL other apostles. )

How does this relate to what follows in the passage?

Don’t forget the Pope is known as the servant of the servants of Christ. He is the head of the college, but like Jesus, he is the servant (like a slave).
Jesus doesn’t build Peter up by name, but by the character of the office given to him.
 
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