I am guessing the thread was moved from one of the News forums to Social Justice. This sort of thing is not uncommon. Nohome’s comment was probably posted before the thread was moved.
Ah, didn’t think of that. Silly me. My aplogies NoHome. (Good thing I didn’t go on about his former catholic status)
I am curious about the five non-negotiables which FTS listed. Who devised this list and the term “non-negotiable”? I’ve frequently seen it mentioned here at CAF.
I don’t know about the:
The 5 non-negotionables are as follows…
1-abortion
2-embryonic stem cell research
3-euthanasia
4-human cloning
5-same-sex marriage
I think it’s misunderstood. In the civic sense what position the Church has is irrelevant to the civil law. This does not mean it is irrelevant to Catholics when they vote.
But take same sex marriage for a moment. Proponents are wrong for insiting it must be called marriage, opponents are wrong for denial of the civic elements. Ex: If two men live life together for 40 years as a couple, spousal type benefits are not unjustified. HIPAA information and financial authorities and benefits, the same as husband/wife unions are illogical and maybe immoral to withhold.
I don’t think those legalities belong to the Church one way or another, and I could support legislation that gave same sex couples those rights and priviledges. What I could not vote for however is calling it a marriage, or allowing such civil unions adoption rights. I personally would not endorse such unions, but I’m not a big fan of others agressively trying to save me from myslef, so I’m not too keen on doing it to others.
Abortion is almost the same as above, but not. It’s hard to believe it’s even debated, but since it is where it is now, it needs to be. Anything outside of the “rape, incest, life of the mother” mantra should be clearly outlawed. To think it is anything else but the violent taking of a human life at any stage of development is out of bounds. While I agree with the Churches position with respect to remaining conditions, and would hopefully abide by them if by misfortune I found myself there, I am not sure I have the right to legislate my morality on those who do not share my faith. I would leave it “legal and safe” if determined so by the courts.
No matter what I know, I’d find it difficult to force an incest or rape victim to have the child if it became so repugnant to them to live. I know that a husband that may loose his wife if the baby is born might not be comforted by the greatest sacrifice his wife was giving; but for non-Catholics they might judge differently. Ultimately I think they will confront that decision after their own death, but I cannot determine their heart or outcome. But no government funded abortion clinics, mandatory counseling, and a willing certified doctor and nurse. (My wife is a nurse and opts out of D&E’s. It is still her right to do so.)
I’m sure I have opinions/qualifications on the others though in the broad sense I agree.
