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Randy_Carson
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I hope this is NOT Dave’s meaning.
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Dave_Noonan
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It’s exactly smart comments like this that cut off dialogue.
You’re making exactly the same interpretive mistake that the disciples and the Judeans did in the Gospel of Matthew.
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Randy_Carson
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Is Jesus a king or not?
The Establishment of Jesus’ Kingdom and Royal Court
Luke 1:31–33
And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of his kingdom there will be no end.
Jesus inherits David’s throne, and Mary becomes Queen Mother. Support for the principle of the Queen Mother in the House of David is found clearly in the following passages:
1 Kings 2:19
When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the king’s mother, and she sat down at his right hand.
Since Solomon had MANY wives, none of them would be queen. In fact, it was his mother that sat on the throne. This idea is also evident in the book of Jeremiah:
Jeremiah 13:18
18 Say to the king and to the queen mother, “Come down from your thrones, for your glorious crowns will fall from your heads.”
From these two passages, we can see that the mother of the king held the title of Queen in the Davidic kingdom. We also know that Mary is the Queen of Heaven from the following:
Revelation 12:1-2
1A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.
Since the writer goes on to say that the woman gave birth to a son who would rule the nations, we can conclude that the woman wearing the crown in heaven is the Mother of Jesus, Mary.
Additionally, Jesus establishes Peter as His royal steward for He gives to Peter “the keys of the kingdom of heaven”. This alludes to the prophecy of Isaiah that reads,
Isaiah 22:20-22
"In that day I will summon my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah. I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.”
In ancient times, the king would choose a Royal Steward or prime minister who literally wore a large key as a symbol of his office and who spoke with the authority of the king. Jesus gives Peter the authority to speak in His name and extends his authority beyond the earthly realm when he gives Peter the “keys to the kingdom of heaven.”
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JRKH
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Are you telling us here that the those who wrote the Gospels, under the Guidance of the Holy Spirit, and recording what GOD wished to reveal to us, got it wrong??
Perhaps I am confused, but it seems to m that you are saying that what is recorded by Mt and Mk in their Gospels is NOT what God had in mind…
Remember taht these things were recorded many years AFTER these events. So if there were errors to be cleared up, corrections to be made so that a clear statement of the mind of God could be made in these matters, the authors had ample time to do so.
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Timonator348
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It’s interesting to hear people try and explain how the keys of Matthew 16:19 are not given to Peter alone but were given to all disciples or even all Christians. How this is reconciled with the Old Testament context is beyond me and a complete stretch 
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Nita
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I think it’s too bad that in English, the same word “you” is used for both the singular and the plural. Looking at the text in Greek (which has a different form for singular and plural), it is obvious the keys were given to Peter alone.It’s interesting to hear people try and explain how the keys of Matthew 16:19 are not given to Peter alone but were given to all disciples or even all Christians. How this is reconciled with the Old Testament context is beyond me and a complete stretch
In the Greek, “you” (Mt.16:19 I will give you the keys…") . is 2nd person, SINGULAR
P.S. My apologies if this is a repeat; I admit I didn’t read all of the previous 145 posts.
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nikella
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Thy way I look at it, having absorbed Scripture because I love the glorious Gospel us given unto salvation, is slightly different, if I may share:
As Simon Peter’s testimony was the correct one; Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the Lord encouraged him by saying you are fortunate (blessed) to have been inspired by the Heavenly Father to see the Truth. Also, the keys of the kingdom means understanding and being a witness for other people, speaking according to what is heavenly already the case, bound or loosened. Not the other way around. The truth is given from heaven, it isn’t sent up to heaven from sinners, we see. In the manuscript of Matthew which was written in Greek it says “you are Petros, and upon petra I will build My church” meaning upon the wonderful and truthful testimony. Petros is a small stone, petra is a huge rock like Gibraltar, able to withstand anything. (John 1:42 clarifies the Greek vs Aramaic in case some doubt the Greek words petros and petra. Scripture backs up Scripture.)
As Scripture reveals, Simon Peter was not exactly steady in his walk, as he both dared rebuke the Lord, and told people the Lord paid money so Jesus had to tell him to go catch a fish in which he would find some money, so that Simon Peter wouldn’t make a liar of himself. Scripture says that Simon Peter was to witness primarily to the Jews, he was sent by the others to Samaria, was with Paul in Jerusalem for the council, Syria, and Antioch where Paul reprimanded him for conforming to Judaistic rituals, erring in doctrine, but no mention in Scripture of Peter going to Rome. There was another Peter in Rome, one who had the title of Peter, but that was not the apostle. In pagan Rome the interpreter of the Mysteries was said to hold the keys of Janus and Kubelé. Interpreter, or peter, was an Chaldean title.
This we were taught in history class so it’s no secret that paganism and Christianity was fused together in the olden days in Rome by Constantin.
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Nita
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Jesus didn’t use either “Petros” or “petra”; He used the Aramaic “kepha” – You are “kepha” and on this “kepha”…
*John 1:42 … Jesus looked at him, and said, “So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas” (which means Peter). *(For further “Cephas” references, see also:1 Cor 1:12; 3:22; 9:5; Gal. 1:18; 2:9,11,14)
I’m sure you’re aware that when it came to translating the Aramaic “kepha” into Greek, to have used “Petra” (feminine ending) would have given the impression that Jesus gave Simon a feminine name. Thus the translators used the masculine ending, making it “Petros”.
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Timonator348
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I’m still looking for a Protestant who can address the keys of Matthew 16 in light of the keys of Isaiah 22. I’ve heard many arguments about the keys being for everyone and Peter’s faith but not him as a person and the little pebble vs. large stone comparison but I want one explaination of how the keys to the house of David given to a man in Isaiah to watch over God’s earthly kingdom differ from the keys God gave Peter to do the very same thing.
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bpbruno211
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The Bible says that the kingdom is the church. How does one become a member of the church. The Bible says that whoever obeys the gospel will be added to the church. Paul says that the gospel is the death, burial, and resurection of Christ. The Bible says that one must “die” to their sins (change their lifestyle), be buried in baptism, and rise from the water as a person cleaned of their sins. Then the Lord adds you to the church.
Therefore: the keys to the kingdom is the gospel. The keys are not given to anyone. Jesus simply told Peter how one became a member of his kingdom, the church.
bpbruno211
Therefore: the keys to the kingdom is the gospel. The keys are not given to anyone. Jesus simply told Peter how one became a member of his kingdom, the church.
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JRKH
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Interesting interpretation. Could you provide the Scripture passage that says the Kingdom is the Church? Likewise, could you provide a Scriptural passage from anywhere in the New Testament that equates The Good News to “Keys”?
Thanks…
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James
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Jack_Bauer
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This is cookie cutter Church of Christ talk. They will BCD you to death and think they have the fullness of faith while doing it. It’s best to lead them to the water and let them think about taking a drink.
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