Why are condoms wrong but periods arent?

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Well I know this is a silly question, but wasting sperm is viewed as so negative, but whenever a woman has her period, an egg is wasted. And Augustine I think, said that ‘Any woman who does not give birth to as many children as she is capable is guilty of murder’ which surely means that as soon as a girl hits puberty really, she should get married and have kids. I’m not saying it would be possible to NEVER have a period, as it isnt a choice like using a condom is a choice, but it does seem a bit like people sometimes overlook how new life cannot be produced without sperm AND egg…
 
Well I know this is a silly question, but wasting sperm is viewed as so negative, but whenever a woman has her period, an egg is wasted. And Augustine I think, said that ‘Any woman who does not give birth to as many children as she is capable is guilty of murder’ which surely means that as soon as a girl hits puberty really, she should get married and have kids. I’m not saying it would be possible to NEVER have a period, as it isnt a choice like using a condom is a choice, but it does seem a bit like people sometimes overlook how new life cannot be produced without sperm AND egg…
I think Augustine’s view is not official church teaching. Also, they had limited biological knowledge.

Secondly, a natural process is not murder, as it does not meet the three criteria of motal sin.

Only the sin of masturbation is considered sinful. Men have nocturnal emissions from time to time.
 
Well I know this is a silly question, but wasting sperm is viewed as so negative, but whenever a woman has her period, an egg is wasted. And Augustine I think, said that ‘Any woman who does not give birth to as many children as she is capable is guilty of murder’ which surely means that as soon as a girl hits puberty really, she should get married and have kids. I’m not saying it would be possible to NEVER have a period, as it isnt a choice like using a condom is a choice, but it does seem a bit like people sometimes overlook how new life cannot be produced without sperm AND egg…
The key is one is “artifical”. the other is not.

As far as the Augustine quote the only place I have ever seen this is on pro-abortion web sites. i would like to see the context in which it was said , if he said it at all.
 
It is because the human ovum wasn’t discovered until the 1920’s so there was no way any of the early church fathers could develop an opinion on one being wasted. Also, wasting an ovum isn’t intentional and wasting sperm is in most cases.
 
The simple face is that each act of intercourse must be open to the transmission of life. This is part of the marriage vows. At the beginning of the Catholic marriage the question, “Will you accept children lovingly from God, and bring them up according to the law of Christ and his Church?” is asked. If an answer of no is given, the wedding stops right there. If the answer is yes, the wedding proceeds. Condoms interrupt the natural process of the transmission of life, a period does not.
 
Good question. Some thoughts…
  1. You MUST read Humanae Vitae. Google it and read it. That is the definitive encyclical by Pope Paul VI that will answer your question at the deepest levels. It’s a surprisingly easy read. By way of prepping you for the document, I offer the following.
  2. Your question is the secular understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches, based upon…the secular understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches. It’s an echo chamber that reverberates the same distorted message endlessly. So let’s clean up the premise to the argument you made 👍.
  3. I agree with what the other post says. Augustine had a primitive understanding of biology, and tried to address faith matters with what was known at the time. Also, simply because he was a saint, does not mean that his understanding was transported out of the times in which he lived. It also does not make his every theological opinion infallible. Only the Magisterium is given that charism.
  4. We do not take as our starting point the false presupposition that every sperm and every egg are destined for the creation of a new human being. An average ejaculation contains a half-billion sperm cells. Only one gets to be the lucky winner if an egg happens to be in the neighborhood. The remaining 499, 999,999 die. Were they ‘wasted’?
  5. We take as our starting point that sex has two major functions in marriage:
a.) UNITIVE. It unites husband and wife in deeper bonds of intimacy and love through the broad spectrum of gentle quiet to ecstasy :egyptian::coolinoff:

b.) PROCREATIVE. Every occasion of sexual activity needs to climax inside the birth canal. There must be an openness to the possibility of life being transmitted. That does not mean probability. The Church teaches that it is permissible to take advantage of God’s wise design by refraining from sex during those fertile times of the month, and then coming together during the infertile times of the menstrual cycle. The key here that addresses you concern over eggs being wasted is ‘God’s wise design.’ He made the menstrual cycle and its associated functions. Therefore it is good. He did not command to use each cycle as an opportunity to get pregnant.

The unitive and procreative were made to be inextricably intertwined. To artificially tease them apart through contraception is to do violence to both dimensions, as well as doing violence to the nature of one another and the intimacy and responsibility that goes with it. Here I speak as a husband and father. Sex, expressed and engaged in, in both of its dimensions is holy :highprayer:
  1. The insertion of artificial contraception does violence by rejecting God’s wise design. Barrier methods demolish for the man the sensations offered by the wife’s body. 'Nuff said there. Chemical methods such as spermacides attack the fertility of the husband and are caustic to the vaginal epithelium. Hormonal methods such as the pill prevent implantation of the embryo, thus killing the new baby. These also place women at vastly increased risk of cancers. IUD’s are placed in the uterus and kill new embryos.
All of these say ‘I love you baby, but not your fertility’. It is the beginning of a mentality that implicitly rejects life and actually begins to kill new life in the womb. This is how we richly fertilize the soil for the bumper crop of abortion. 50 million abortions in the US since 1973. 1.8 BILLION (yes BILLION with a B) worldwide since 1960! To put that in perspective, that’s just shy of 1/3 of the world’s current population.

It’s no small coincidence that abortion on this scale has occurred precisely in the same time frame as the introduction of the pill. By rejecting the possbility of life and the resposibility that comes with it, we collapse into narcissism. It’s also no small coincidence that the Church, in 1968, gave us Humanae Vitae, which is the expression of the clear and constant teaching of the Church from its founding.

I hope that helps.
 
This question relies on two false premises. 1. the churches view of condoms and 2. a womens fertility cycle.

I would say this is an incorrect way to view the church’s opposition to condoms. The church opposses condoms, becuase they seperate both the unitive and the procreative nature of sex. It is not open to life, just as masterbation (sex with oneself) is sex for the pleasure but not the consequences of the act.

Not only that, but the egg does not pass when a women gets her period, the period is just the blood filled lining of the uterus that sheds when the body realizes that the woman is not pregnant. The egg actually exits the body a few days after ovulation which generally occurs midway through the womans cycle.

Even if we take a women’s period as evidence as a wasted egg, the church in actual doctrine does not consider this a sin. (Augustine’s writings do not have doctrinal force) An unmarried woman should be having her period, because it shows she is healthy and that she is not pregnant. God’s law is natural law, and a women’s period is natural (she cannot control it) and cannot be sinfull or morally wrong.

Pax,
 
Well I know this is a silly question, but wasting sperm is viewed as so negative, but whenever a woman has her period, an egg is wasted.
Condoms are not immoral because they “waste sperm.” That is not a teaching of the Church.

Condoms are immoral for the same reason all contraception and sterlization is immoral- it is a disordered act of intercourse. All intercourse must be ordered to unity and procreation, per se. This means there can be no acction before, during, or after the act of intercourse taken to render it infertile. Each act must be unitive and procreative.

Condoms disorder the act of intercourse.

Menstruation is a natural process of the woman’s body. I’m not sure where the idea of ‘wasted’ sperm came from, but it’s not a teaching of the Church. Nor is there any teachign regarding a woman becoming pregnant with any specific frequency, nor about “wasting” an egg.
And Augustine I think, said that ‘Any woman who does not give birth to as many children as she is capable is guilty of murder’ which surely means that as soon as a girl hits puberty really, she should get married and have kids.
I do not know of any teaching by Augustine which states this. Do you have a source for this?

If there were such a teaching, it is his own personal opinion-- not Church teaching.
I’m not saying it would be possible to NEVER have a period, as it isnt a choice like using a condom is a choice, but it does seem a bit like people sometimes overlook how new life cannot be produced without sperm AND egg…
Yes, this is true, but it is not the basis of the teaching that contraception is disordered.
 
Well I know this is a silly question, but wasting sperm is viewed as so negative, but whenever a woman has her period, an egg is wasted. And Augustine I think, said that ‘Any woman who does not give birth to as many children as she is capable is guilty of murder’ which surely means that as soon as a girl hits puberty really, she should get married and have kids. I’m not saying it would be possible to NEVER have a period, as it isnt a choice like using a condom is a choice, but it does seem a bit like people sometimes overlook how new life cannot be produced without sperm AND egg…
Well, it is true that if a couple refuses to have further children when having sex just for unimportant reasons it is immoral. So, St. Augustine was right. But, if you are not financially nor physically capable of raising more children, then you are not guilty of that sin. You have to practice the virtue of prudence in family life. So, NFP can be used by such couples until they can have more children or if they cannot have more children then fine.

Now, in regards to condoms it is always intrinsically evil to intentionally prevent conception through artificially means. It cannot be said that wasted eggs after periods in a woman’s youth is the same thing. The woman in her youth is not physically and mentally mature enough to have a normal healthy pregnancy and a normal healthy family. Risk of complications is higher for teenaged mothers as well as a risk of having a broken home. They also are probably not financially capable to raise children. Also, the egg is not wasted intentionally, it is not possible for them to tell their ovaries to wait until marriage before emitting eggs.

Now, it would certainly be a sin if either a man or a woman masturbate. (Let’s not forget that women can masturbate too.) In such a case sexuality is isolated from the unitive and procreative aspects of marriage and is therefore the sin of artificial infertile lust. It is a grave sin. It is also the intentional wasting of seed (sperm or ovum).
 
Well I know this is a silly question, but wasting sperm is viewed as so negative…
Where you first went off the rails was getting your catholic moral theology from Monty Python’s musical antics!

Catholic opposition has nothing to do with “wasting the sperm” and everything to do with preserving the unitive/procreative natures of sex.

As noted above, try reading Humanae Vitae instead of watching John Kleese!
 
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