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Mannyfit75
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Why are we here? Where did we come from?
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AgnosTheist
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You know, scientifically we came from primitive primates. and all mammals evolved from the fishes who developed limbs.
we are here because our ancestors learned to walk on 2 legs.
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ribozyme
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The answer is due to the law of accelerating returns:
simply put, there is an evolutionary trend towards greater complexity, and this process speeds up over time. The progress from a previous stage is used to create faster progress in a positive feedback cycle. It is not Darwinian evolution; conversely, Darwinian evolution is one manifestion of the law of accelerating returns.
Why are we where? Why can we ask such questions? If the universal wasn’t able to support life we would not be here to think about it. (A simplified description of the soi-disant anthropic principle)
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AgnosTheist
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that is certainly true in most cases. but have you seen the movie ‘Idiocracy’? its just a funny movie but it does suggest a disturbing trend: dump people breed a lot faster than smarter ones.
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ribozyme
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Trust me, you do not want me to talk about that…
Besides, nootropics and cybernetics will probably reverse that trend.
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AgnosTheist
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and cloning.
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Rbt_Southwell
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ribozyme
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I would answer that question by answer what are the odds* after the fact*. For example, it is likely that our universe is not the only type of universe, and other there are many other possible universes that exist that do not have the potential to support. But why do we live in a universe that can support life? The answer is that we could only live in a universe that can support life.
I think a similar answer can be invoked for the evolution of Homo sapiens.
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AgnosTheist
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Just go to any Museum of Natural History and youll get all the facts there. Like that huge museum in Chicago.
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Joyousguard
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There is no plausible data to substantiate such a claim nor a plausibel manner in which to measure such a theory.
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spauline
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We are here to give and receive love, and then to go on into the eternal, immeasurable gift and reception of love.
We came from Love Eternal and Infinite, and we are called to possess that same Love forever and ever.
Love means to know and to understand and to give and receive through the will, and, while on earth, to suffer for our fellow creatures, even if they be our enemies. For in offering sufferings for sinners, we help redeem them. There is nothing more beautiful than this.
Hence, the Cross, and Marriage, bear forth the ultimate signs for what we are called to on earth (the first), and what we are called to experience when we cross the threshold of death (the latter.).
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Sol_Invictus
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Love brought us into this world of suffering?
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spauline
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yes, in order that we might love to such a degree that we suffer. THe man who loves his wife and who has the supernatural love of God in his heart will be so overflowing in his desire to express love, that he will desire to even suffer for the one he loves.
And God is even beyond this. God suffered for the human race when it did not love him and insulted him.
If we had never fallen, we would never have had the opportunity to love so much that it hurts.
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Sol_Invictus
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Ha there is no such thing as love.The very idea of what you suggested disgusts me.
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IvanKaramozov
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Your answer is like Russell’s Axiom of Infinity. It may corespond to empericle fact, but only accidently, and it totally misses the sense of the problem.
it really dosen’t make sense from a naturalist standpoint either, it’s like you asking me how I came to type this response and I responded, “Well, Von Neumann gave us the basis of Software”
As to the OP, from a Philosophical point of view, I’m not sure your question really makse sense. Have you ever studied Wittgenstein?
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IvanKaramozov
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Thank you Mr. Sartre.
I’ll see your love and reise you a “there is no such thing as yellow”
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crowonsnow
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Not sure I can do justice to your questions but I’ll try.
I believe I’m here because I’m part of the universe and the universe is here. So then why is the universe here?
It appears that the default setting of the universe is to exist. We being part of the universe are therefore also defaulted to exist. It took some time to become comfortable with the fact that the universe is eternal and uncaused, but that’s my take today. In short, the universe (or cosmos if one prefers) is everywhere all the time, and therefore needn’t be explained.
I’d add that “nothingness” isn’t real. I think many people use the word locally and semantically, but not from a standpoint of physics or cosmology. We get conditioned to use the word as if it has meaning. But it is truly nonsensical when applied scientifically. In a way, your questions are an attempt to reconcile your acceptance that nothingness can be real, despite the fact that there is not a single observation that will support such a belief.
At least that’s how I see it.
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Pete_1
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What about this for an idea, their is such a thing as yellow because it exists in our minds. Whether or not it exists outside the mind or not is a different question though i guess.
that’s my idea anyway, may be wrong.
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AndyF
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1/To obtain complete control ?.
2/ From a state of non-existance and unrealized contentment, which is also the pool of natural resources for the created. This state may be beyond the jurisdiction and authority of diety. All the same it would seem he is capable of obtaining what he desires from it.We are born in a being’'s concept, visualizing from an open portal of sorts ourselves in complete contentment. Remaining in concept we exist aloof from the conceptualizer’s control. Bringing him into reality from a state that can’t be controlled, he now can be.
Control may be a trivial matter for imperfect beings, but for a perfect omni-being it may be an equivalent of irritation, and the concept could be seen as an audacious entity without form, tauntingly content and unaffected as only those in heaven have a right to be having earned it.
So the entity concept is torn out of his state of comfort only to made real so that he/it can prove itself worthy by striving for a state he previously possessed without effort.
So it would appear that even concepts are not safe from trial.
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Benedict_Broere
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As a form of life and being part of this bigger life - nature, the universe - I think it is in general our purpose to develop life towards a more complex, interesting and better life, and this according to the general order aos on basis of which this universe exists - see my website members.chello.nl/b.broere/. Life is all about becoming a more alive life, a more alive universe. We are part of it and can grow in it. In a romantic way you could say that it makes us gods in God.
Btw. Ribozyme, very interesting this article by Ray Kurzweil (law of accelerating returns).
Btw. Ribozyme, very interesting this article by Ray Kurzweil (law of accelerating returns).
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