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From the Apostle’s Creed, “He descended into hell”. What caused him to go to hell?
Q: Why did Christ visit hell after his death?From the Apostle’s Creed, “He descended into hell”. What caused him to go to hell?
He descended to Limbo to save the Righteous Jews.From the Apostle’s Creed, “He descended into hell”. What caused him to go to hell?
Thanks. Makes sense.Q: Why did Christ visit hell after his death?
A: He didn’t, if you mean by hell the place of the damned. There would have been no purpose in his going there.
The Apostles’ Creed contains this line in Latin: descendit ad inferos. In older English translations the word inferos was rendered as “hell,” but it was understood not to mean the place of the damned. The term actually refers to “those below”—that is, to the dead. It thus signified that he descended to visit the just who died in pre-Christian times and were waiting for heaven to be opened to them. This place is commonly called the limbo of the Fathers.
Jesus referred to this place when he said, “As Jonah was in the whale’s belly for three days and three nights, so shall the Son of Man be in the heart of the Earth three days and three nights” (Matt. 12:40).
The expression “heart of the Earth” doesn’t mean the grave, but the underworld, what the Jews called sheol, which was thought to be located at the center of the Earth. Sheol wasn’t a place of the damned but a place of departed souls both good and bad. It appears from the parable of Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16:19–31) that there was a place within sheol where the wicked were punished and another place where the righteous awaiting heaven were comforted. Jesus went to the latter.
Not just Jews I think, but also any who died who were otherwise in essential friendship with God. Certainly, I can think of at least a few figures in the Old Testament who were not Jewish but whom would have been freed to go to heaven upon Jesus’s death.He descended to Limbo to save the Righteous Jews.
Add this one: Abraham’s Bosom!Limbo? Sheol?
Do Catholics nowadays refer to these places as Purgatory?
No, the Limbo of the Fathers, was simply the place of waiting where the virtuous who died before Jesus opened the gates of heaven resided. This is distinct from the limbo for those who die unbaptised but free from other sin (which is only an hypothesis) and it is definitely distinct from purgatory which is the purification the soul from the effects of venial sin before it enters into heaven.Limbo? Sheol?
Do Catholics nowadays refer to these places as Purgatory?
To preach to the spirits imprisoned therein, some of whom received Him.From the Apostle’s Creed, “He descended into hell”. What caused him to go to hell?
I’m so sorry to query this answer. But it sounds to me like the interminable middle-ages squabble about how many angels can fit on the head of a pin.Q: Why did Christ visit hell after his death?
A: He didn’t, if you mean by hell the place of the damned. There would have been no purpose in his going there.
The Apostles’ Creed contains this line in Latin: descendit ad inferos. In older English translations the word inferos was rendered as “hell,” but it was understood not to mean the place of the damned. The term actually refers to “those below”—that is, to the dead. It thus signified that he descended to visit the just who died in pre-Christian times and were waiting for heaven to be opened to them. This place is commonly called the limbo of the Fathers.
Jesus referred to this place when he said, “As Jonah was in the whale’s belly for three days and three nights, so shall the Son of Man be in the heart of the Earth three days and three nights” (Matt. 12:40).
The expression “heart of the Earth” doesn’t mean the grave, but the underworld, what the Jews called sheol, which was thought to be located at the center of the Earth. Sheol wasn’t a place of the damned but a place of departed souls both good and bad. It appears from the parable of Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16:19–31) that there was a place within sheol where the wicked were punished and another place where the righteous awaiting heaven were comforted. Jesus went to the latter.
I don’t understand your point. This person seems to me to have made a very legitimate point: that jesus wanted to save those who died before he saved them, and so he did, by joining them in *limbo patrorum *and freeing them from it. I am also not sure that *limbo patrorum *is covered by the recent ITC document?I’m so sorry to query this answer. But it sounds to me like the interminable middle-ages squabble about how many angels can fit on the head of a pin.
Surely in 2007 we do not think in concepts like this? I suspect the Vatican might have a sense of this by its re-think on limbo. I am a convert-in-the-making, and a person of the 21st century. Many on the Forum have called me a relativist, but it is convoluted mental gymnastics like this that make one slow to accept ‘graciously and humbly’, as advised, and believe.
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If and when I become a Catholic, am I required to believe the following, that there is an underworld at the center of the Earth. You and I know that this is not possible. Further, the anxiety of the Church to make sure there is an appropriate place for each category of person (good, bad, evil, unborn, aborted, other faiths, protestant Christians, Jews before Christ, inter alia) becomes exceedingly convoluted, unappealing in its interpretation of … what - the Bible? - and antithetical to scientific common sense.I don’t understand your point. This person seems to me to have made a very legitimate point: that jesus wanted to save those who died before he saved them, and so he did, by joining them in *limbo patrorum *and freeing them from it. I am also not sure that *limbo patrorum *is covered by the recent ITC document?
The expression “heart of the Earth” doesn’t mean the grave, but the underworld, what the Jews called sheol, which was thought to be located at the center of the Earth. Sheol wasn’t a place of the damned but a place of departed souls both good and bad. It appears from the parable of Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16:19–31) that there was a place within sheol where the wicked were punished and another place where the righteous awaiting heaven were comforted. Jesus went to the latter.
No, we don’t believe that there’s a place of the afterlife in the center of the Earth. That was a popular understanding, but it’s not the teaching of the Church.If and when I become a Catholic, am I required to believe the following, that there is an underworld at the center of the Earth. You and I know that this is not possible. Further, the anxiety of the Church to make sure there is an appropriate place for each category of person (good, bad, evil, unborn, aborted, other faiths, protestant Christians, Jews before Christ, inter alia) becomes exceedingly convoluted, unappealing in its interpretation of … what - the Bible? - and antithetical to scientific common sense.
I know that there may be miracles involved here; that it is all a matter of faith; that one needs willingly to suspend disbelief. But this is surely taking it too far?