Why Did God Create The Universe

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**WHY DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE ?**DID HE FEEL THE NEED FOR A UNIVERSE? IF HE DID ,DOESN’T THAT RAISE QUESTIONS ON HIS OMNIPOTENCE?
 
God needs nothing. He is all that he requires.

God created the universe and us because he is Love; he created out of his own bounty, wanting to share himself with us. It is natural for God to create, just as children are born out of the unitive love of a husband and wife.
 
Well, He created the Universe so that you could ask about it!

To create something is an act of will, not of need. He doesn’t need anything, because He just Is everything. We, creatures, need air, water, food, we need things in order to keep alive. He, on the other hand, is Life itself. There is no need in Him, he made the Universe as someone who makes a painting, a sculpture, a music, a work of love and will. We don’t need Monalisa or the 5th Symphony or Pietá. But Leonardo and Beethoven and Michelangelo made those things, and we are thankful for that. Imagine how thankful should we be for the Universe, created by God’s will and Love!
 
What, then, in your estimation, is essential to a human being? From your reply, I will know how to proceed.
 
Since the angels were created before the universe, it might be more to the point to ask first why God created them.

I think He created all the angels good out of the abundance of His love, and to see if they would return that love. Of course, He knew in advance that many would not, and that many would have to suffer hellfire. He knew the same about humans. So he knew that some of his creation would fall, but that some also would rise into and share His glory.

The only thing that I see God being fascinated by is the fact that He created creatures (angels and humans) with a free will that might or might not be turned against Him.That is to say, God made creatures who could experience evil, an experience He was personally incapable of knowing, even though He could see in advance how that evil would play out against Him and oblige Him to ultimately encounter it in His own person as Jesus Christ.

I think we are drawn to evil as a thing that will help us overcome God; whereas I think God is drawn to evil as a thing that will help us to overcome it so that we can share His love and his glory.
 
taylor007 said:
**WHY DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE ?**DID HE FEEL THE NEED FOR A UNIVERSE? IF HE DID ,DOESN’T THAT RAISE QUESTIONS ON HIS OMNIPOTENCE?
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to accommodate the greatest act of God’s love, the creation of mankind, and after the Fall their means of salvation through Himself made man in Jesus Christ.

God did not need the universe, God needs nothing.

God created the angels and man to enable each to be with Him through FREE WILL. Had God NOT created mankind, He would not have been born a man, nor would there be a Virgin Mary, a Saint Joseph, a St Peter, a St Paul etc., etc., No doubt God is now pleased that He did create mankind.
 
LilyM said:
Food (and water), shelter, clothing, air - and God!
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Exactly. And it is by virtue of the fact that we are children of God that we imitate our Heavenly Father in our creations–just as he Created, we create. We subcreate. Hence, the Pieta, for example, is essential to our humanity.

Oh, and you forgot one thing: relationships. Man is, by definition and nature, a relational being. It is essential that everyone has human contact outside himself. After all, “it is not good for man to be alone.”
 
taylor007 said:
i wont elaborate this question.
**WHY DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE ?**DID HE FEEL THE NEED FOR A UNIVERSE? IF HE DID ,DOESN’T THAT RAISE QUESTIONS ON HIS OMNIPOTENCE?
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This is unanswerable. Fun to kick around, but unanswerable.
 
Of course we cannot know, we can only have opinions. But my own personal belief is that God created to be able to experience that which he created. Experiencing life is much different that knowing about it. And no doubt he desired to commune with those creations that evolved into sentient beings to a degree that they could reach out and seek their Creator.
 
Numinous said:
I agree with you, but I’m interested in knowing your reasoning.
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For the same reason that a fish cannot understand the circumstances that brought him to his present environment. He cannot understand the nature of water or the pleasure he gives to that large, weird, amorphous shape that appears to be moving near him every so often.

He doesn’t have the equipment or the necessary frame of reference to know anything about the true nature of his owner. Neither do we.

We know things that God has chosen to reveal to us. But possessing truth doesn’t presuppose the capacity to receive the exhaustive truth necessary to ascribe a “why” to the Godhead.

“Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
It is too high, I cannot attain to it.” Psalm 139:6
 
taylor007 said:
i wont elaborate this question.
**WHY DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE ?**DID HE FEEL THE NEED FOR A UNIVERSE? IF HE DID ,DOESN’T THAT RAISE QUESTIONS ON HIS OMNIPOTENCE?
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So that the Incarnate Word might be glorified. (See St. Paul passim, & St. John ditto - & the NT generally). As to the “why” which that implies - maybe there are lots of converging reasons, rather than reasons arranged in series like dominoes. 🤷 **​

**Why would the question raise questions about God’s Omnipotence ? **

The problem is that it’s not possible to get “behind” what God has revealed - that is, to ask the reasons for the reasons the reasons for the reasons for the reasons the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons for the reasons… and so on - one gets caught up in an infinite regression. http://smilies.vidahost.com/cwm/cwm/freak7.gif
 
taylor007 said:
i wont elaborate this question.
**WHY DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE ?**DID HE FEEL THE NEED FOR A UNIVERSE? IF HE DID ,DOESN’T THAT RAISE QUESTIONS ON HIS OMNIPOTENCE?
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If we are dealing with the God that Christians believe in, then we must reflect on Gods nature. It is only then that we find the reasons for why God would create anything.
  1. To share ones nature.
  2. To express ones nature.
These two reasons are linked neccesarily to eachother and cannot be seen apart from one-another. Existence (God), by Gods very nature, is an eternal expression of Love, Perfection and Existence. Love is creative. Love is sharing. Love is personal. People therefore exist neccesarily as an expression of Gods divine attributes. We exist to participate in Gods eternal existence; and Gods existence is an eternal expression of Love and Perfection.
That is the purpose of life.

Some will accept it, and some will reject it.
 
taylor007 said:
i wont elaborate this question.
**WHY DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE ?**DID HE FEEL THE NEED FOR A UNIVERSE? IF HE DID ,DOESN’T THAT RAISE QUESTIONS ON HIS OMNIPOTENCE?
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Hello Taylor007

I’ve read through all the posts and I’m not sure any of them satisfied your young mind (at least you haven’t indicated such). Let me give it a try.

Perhaps it isn’t omnipotence that precipitated God to create us, but omniscience? Could God have known that He is perfect? Perfection is a comparative word and perfect denotes the ultimate in degrees of perfection. Nothing exceeds perfect. Perhaps God in seeking to know His own perfection, created an imperfect mirror, a mirror filled with defects. The world is God’s mirror; we create the defects; so when we reject evil or do good we eliminate a defect from God’s mirror. Eventually we will present God with a perfect mirror; He will see a perfect image; He will know He is perfect; and will know everything including His own omniscience. That is one possibility.

A second possibility: God is infinite; He is everything possible; evil is a possibility; therefore God was faced with the elimination of evil. (Charlemagne II alludes to this in his post #7). Perhaps God created us to do the heaving lifting in ridding Him of evil? Thus, free will. As each of us rejects evil we are removing a particle of moral evil from possibility. To see how I think this works out, you might want to take another look at my posts on your “Suffering” thread. The key is the scientific theory of Parallel worlds (or Universes).

What do you think Taylor? Do you mind me calling you by your first name? You could call me Yp. (Just kidding) Is there an icon for “just kidding”?
Also, notice I very judiciously used questions where a statement may have gotten me accused of a material heresy.

Yppop
 
taylor007 said:
i wont elaborate this question.
**WHY DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE ?**DID HE FEEL THE NEED FOR A UNIVERSE? IF HE DID ,DOESN’T THAT RAISE QUESTIONS ON HIS OMNIPOTENCE?
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If the old Baltimore Catechism is worth anything, god apparently made the universe because god loves the universe.

Of course that really doesn’t tell us anything. By this view there once wasn’t a universe and the reason for there not being one would be because god didn’t love it enough to have made it.
 
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