Why did God kill those Egyptian first-born sons

[PJM]

=zhangxupage;4251174]Those sons were innocent. Some of them were even babies. Why did God do such an unjust act?

Some would answer that He did that because he’s God or showing his authority. Then why did he sacrifice those innocent kids? That’s not just or loving.

I am not challenging the Bible but just seeking the truth.

First it is necessary to understand a bit about God.

God is and only can be GOOD; Fair; Just; Perfect

The incident you point out is one of a series of penalities for the Hardhearts of the Egyptian rulers; who, had enslaved the Jewish nation and treated them as badly as they desired.Further the Jews were being forced to worship false Egyptian gods.

When Yahweh finally had enough of this treatment and decided to make a new Covennt with the Jewish nation; each time the Pharaoh promised to let them free; he changed his mind. And each time the punishment became more severe. And even after the death of all male first-born animals and boy’s… the Pharaoh changed his mind and pursued the Hebrews at the Red sea.

So it was not a “random act” by God. It was a series of punishments intended to free the Hewbrew nation, which required cooperation of Egypt and Yahweh, who would not listen to God through Aaron and Moses and paid the price of disobedience.

Keep in mind that this was an age where force dominated decisions. So God used progressive amounts of force to free the Jews.

God inorder to BE GOD; MUST be just. We place ourselves at GREAT risk in second guessing God.

Isaiah 55:8-9 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

Isa.29: 16 "You turn things upside down! Shall the potter be regarded as the clay; that the thing made should say of its maker, “He did not make me”; or the thing formed say of him who formed it, “He has no understanding”?

Isa.64: 8 “Yet O LORD, thou art our Father; we are the clay, and thou art our potter;
we are all the work of thy hand.”

Jer.18: 4"And the vessel he was making of clay was spoiled in the potter’s hand, and he reworked it into another vessel, as it seemed good to the potter to do. “O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter has done? says the LORD. Behold, like the clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel.”

Sir.33: 13"As clay in the hand of the potter – for all his ways are as he pleases – so men are in the hand of him who made them, to give them as he decides."

Rom.9: 21"Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for beauty and another for menial use?"

God as the AUTHORof Life and Death simply cannot be in error.

God Bless,
Pay

 

[Evania]

Actually, it was Pharaoh who called down death first. He said to Moses, " The day that you appear before me again, you shall die!" If Moses was never allowed to appear before him again, how could he fulfill God’s plan for his life by freeing the Jews from bondage? Pharaoh pridefully allowed his own people to undergo horrible miseries such as pestilence, hail, and let them suffer from thirst due to having the water turn to blood, all because he wanted to treat the Jews with cruelty. If all of the plagues that preceded the final one, didn’t work; what would finally move Pharaoh’s wicked heart other than the death of his own son? He certainly didn’t seem to mind the misery preceding it. The part that you need to see though comes later. God was tying this event in with the future death of His own Beloved Son. If you read the directions He gave Moses, you will see a merciful God. “Go and procure a lamb for your family. Slaughter the lamb, and sprinkle your door posts with its blood. When The Lord sees the blood on your door posts, He will pass over that door and not let the destroyer enter.” This was the first Passover…The very meal Jesus and His disciples were commemorating when He instituted The Eucharist. Jesus is the Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world. God is far from unjust. In the days of Moses, He was already thinking ahead to the night before His own Son’s death, which was infinitely more unjust…which He allowed because He is a Merciful God.

 

[philv]

Those sons were innocent. Some of them were even babies. Why did God do such an unjust act?

Some would answer that He did that because he’s God or showing his authority. Then why did he sacrifice those innocent kids? That’s not just or loving.

I am not challenging the Bible but just seeking the truth.

God continues to use us for his will to teach others. We may not know our roles for his purpose until that moment comes, and in some cases to bring out a big message. We can be assured we will be resurrected and God will reward us. He says in the bible that he knew us before we were in the womb, and so he knows our roles to further his kingdom.

 

[system]

Maybe God didn’t kill anybody maybe he just reclaimed his souls and brought them to heaven to protect them from the massacre to come!

 

[Wesrock]

First, I think we must recognize that God knows each person perfectly, better than a person knows himself. And none of us are worthy of salvation on our own merit.

But God is able to render perfect judgment. Could not any of the innocent babies who died have been saved by God in his mercy, or reserved a special place? The soul, remember is immortal, and persists after death. God did not terminate their existence. While I don’t think we can know for sure, I think we can trust that God in his infinite mercy could have saved those souls who were ignorant and had committed no sins on their own, and brought them into perfect paradise, or if not that, at least into an eternal peace. Those who truly suffered the most were those who remained behind in this world.

Humans aren’t able to exercise perfect judgment. And murder and suicide are contrary to *our *natural order. Nor are we capable of exercising authority over ourselves or others in the way that God is able to.

Modern thinking is also completely focused on the individual. The idea that a nation can be punished (in this world) is contrary to our thinking, but it’s a strong theme through biblical history. We can’t deny that we are social creatures and a part of a living culture. None of us are isolated. Nationwide punishment was often a tool of discipline and of the divine pedagogy, and God disciplined in the way people of those times would understand.

 

[Wesrock]

In my bible. in exodus8:28. it says something along the line of

But once more the lord "made Pharaoh become obdurate and would not let the people go
I was going to show it here with a link but n the online version it says "
“But once more Pharaoh became obdurate and would not let the people go”
This raises another question. But i’ll ask that later. I’ll go off what my Bible says instead of a online version.
How is it anyone’s fault either the pharohs or the people, if God made him obdrate?

This is commonly understood to mean that God withdrew further from Pharaoh. He didn’t make him act, but Pharaoh displeased God, and so God withdrew his presence from him. It’s how people start to sin and sink deeper into it become more and more depraved and no longer even know their sinning anymore. God pulls away from them. But it comes from the person’s own deepening rejection of the good and of God.