An evil co-creator?
It is not a Catholic possibility but it does offer an explanation for evil. Zoroastrianism come to mind.
A much more pessimistic explanation, held by the Marquis de Sade, would be that the creator of this world is evil, and hence evil is more often rewarded than good. In that scenario, good people exist for the amusement of the truly evil.
Troubled one,
You’ve taken a simple and straightforward idea of mine and spun it in a peculiar and unwarranted direction. This must suit you. My statement was clear:
Greylorn said:
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Consider the possibility that God did not make the essential component of what comprises the essential part of “us.” This explains much.
I did not use the word evil, co-creator, or imply any of the complaints you’ve generated, which follow, with my comments.
Certainly the idea of injustice in a world created by God who is omni-benevolent leaves us all in the position of a Job, dumbstruck by the fierce grandeur of a world that is in the end is outside of his ability to comprehend.
Who says that God is omni-benevolent? I didn’t even read that in the Baltimore Catechism.
Perhaps your belief in an omni-whatever Creator, which is illogical, is at the heart of your conflicted understanding.
The one thing that is certain is that ultimate justice is beyond this world.
Wrong, You seem concerned with a vague concept, that of “ultimate justice.” For those with a more practical notion of justice, bullets in kneecaps and castrations work fairly well, depending upon the particular infraction. Naturally, you won’t find effective justice within a political system founded under false opinions about the nature and purpose of human existence.
I would love to read your description of “ultimate justice.” Until you can define it, rather than repeat the slogan, it will not happen in this world or anyplace else. We can envision it in isolated, specific examples. For example, in the movie,
Little Nicky one of the devil’s daily chores is to treat Hitler to a daily pineapple. Lacking such clear cut examples, justice between individuals, nations, whatever, who were each trying to cut a bigger slice of pie is impossible to define.
I invite you to define “ultimate justice,” and to do so at the level of general agreement. You might even use the CAF as an agreement base. Until you do, quit whining.
If we accept that this world is the creation of an omni-benevolent Creator-and really, pragmatically speaking, this is the only possibility which affords us any hope-, then there must be an afterlife.
I do not believe in even a benevolent Creator, although I do believe in a Creator. I have a tidbit of hope, but not the kind you might appreciate.
I find nothing pragmatic in your comment, but lots of unfounded beliefs, hopes, fears. For now, that’s all you can have. Consideration of logical constraints upon reality will allow you to consider more interesting possibilities than hope, which is the last refuge of the futile. Takes time, though.
It is a leap of faith to decide to belief in a good God as the sole Creator of this world. Nevertheless, it is a leap into the most reasonable of the alternatives.
Only of the few and limited alternatives which you have so far considered.
It is a leap which affirms our life as being given the meaning that only hope can provide for us in a world we know is impefect, unjust, and infused with the gravest of evil.
The gravest evil I know is the substitution of hope for action. The second gravest is public whining. I know who you voted for last November.
