Why do people say that God doesn't punish people?

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i have heard catholics say that God does not punish people for their sins. In a recent post someone implied that God wasn’t punishing me for missing mass and that he doesn’t punish us for the sins we commit. People say that he doesn’t punish us, he allows us to experience tribulations though. i don’t understand the difference. It says in the bible that we will be punished. Especially those who God expects more from. Someone said that God doesn’t punish couples for using contaceptives or birth control. Can someone please explain why people say this? Are catholics afraid of turning peole away and so they say that God does not punish?
 
If God punished you where would your free will be? You would be forced to do what’s right if there were punishments from above. But you aren’t forced to do what’s right - you have free will.

That doesn’t mean there’s not earthly consequences. If you shoot drugs and get Hep C that doesn’t mean God gave it to you - you did.

For your example, God does not punish people (or at least that I am seeing) for using birthcontrol. This kind of shoots down the catholic view point (from my view point) that bc is wrong in the first place. the CC argument is that Onan was killed because the punishment should be the same for everyone, and he wasn’t himiliated like regular sinners were in the day - he was killed. therefore according to the CC, what caused the punishment was pulling out (bc) and it was wrong so therefore the punishment was death - but yet people use b/c still and that is not their punishment, right? Just doesnt’ make sense for me.

With that said, I don’t agree with abc that can kill an embryo - just incase anyone wants to bring that up 😉
 
I think that the reversal of God’s goodwill toward Israel resulting in the destruction of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms is a pretty good example of God directly punishing a people for their sins.

See also… the Flood.

And for those of you who will say, "Well yes but that’s *OLD *Testament, I point you to Ananias and Saphira dying at the feet of St. Peter. Seemed like pretty swift and direct punishment to me.

Of course God punishes us, sometimes directly and sometimes by allowing us to fall on our faces because of our own sinfulness and stupidity, if He did not then texts like Hebrews 12: 5-11 “5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons: “My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; 6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.” 7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.”

The gist is if God does not punish you it is because you are not His, and if He is punishing you it’s because He’s training you in righteousness that you may be saved. 👍
 
I think that the reversal of God’s goodwill toward Israel resulting in the destruction of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms is a pretty good example of God directly punishing a people for their sins.

See also… the Flood.

And for those of you who will say, "Well yes but that’s *OLD *Testament, I point you to Ananias and Saphira dying at the feet of St. Peter. Seemed like pretty swift and direct punishment to me.

Of course God punishes us, sometimes directly and sometimes by allowing us to fall on our faces because of our own sinfulness and stupidity, if He did not then texts like Hebrews 12: 5-11 “5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons: “My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; 6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.” 7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.”

The gist is if God does not punish you it is because you are not His, and if He is punishing you it’s because He’s training you in righteousness that you may be saved. 👍
I think you hit the nail right on the head. The only thing I would add is that, as humans, it is very difficult, if not impossible, to know for sure whether or not something is actaully a punishment from God or simply a natural occurrence/coincidence. Through prayerful consideration, God, in His mercy, may let us know when we are being punished (which would be a direct result of God’s love for us), but we should not be quick to assume every negative thing that happens in life is a punishment.

I would be curious to read others’ thoughts on the differences between suffering and punishment. For we know, even for very holy people, indeed maybe more so, suffering will exist. Yet, is this punishment?
 
God is True Happiness and Goodness.
Therefore when we turn away from God by being ‘bad’ (not Good) we are unhappy. This can be seen as a ‘punishment’ for rejecting God.
So both views are correct
 
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