why does God hate temporal needs?

[third_servant]

If God cared one millionth of a percent of iota about someone’s temporal needs and he decided to help, his overwhelming power would make that person’s cup overflow and they’d be helped beyond need.

But that’s not what I see.

I see pain, and ask for help from God, and no response. This leads me to the conclusion that God hates temporal needs. God hates money, possessions, that’s why Jesus told that one rich guy to give everything he had away.

 

[Fieryjades]

Please define “temporaral needs”

 

[coralewis]

Third Servant,
I sympathize with you. My husband and I are unemployed and our dream is that I will be a stay-at-home mama to our unborn child and Luke will work and work and somehow, when Baby is old enough, we will both homeschool Baby. Sometimes that seems like an impossible dream. I’m praying for you and I hope that God sends some joy your way.
Never despair! Never give up. There is ALWAYS a reason to hope. When it’s a cloudy day, look forward to a sunny day (unless you really like rain, LOL). When you are suffering from mental/physical problems, hope for a time (a few minutes or a few days) when you will feel better. When the sunshine comes and you feel better, thank God and praise Him!
Remember that God sends suffering because He knows that you can handle it. God trusts you. Don’t give up on God: keep repeating to yourself: “Jesus, I trust in You!”

May God bless you abundantly,
Corinne

 

[third_servant]

Fieryjades:

Please define “temporaral needs”

How about evil things like a job? health insurance? a place to say that isn’t deadly to live in (like the crime-ridden place I live in now)?

All I want is a job. God thinks that is evil.

 

[third_servant]

coralewis:

Remember that God sends suffering because He knows that you can handle it.

That’s the thing. I cannot handle it! God doesn’t understand that.

God trusts you.

I wish God would trust me with something besides suffering!

Don’t give up on God: keep repeating to yourself: “Jesus, I trust in You!”

Hard to trust God when he has abandoned me.

 

[PAPH]

God does know our needs. He knows the temporal, as well as spiritual. But there are some things that I think need clarifying.

First, what are your temporal needs? Man needs, food, clothing, shelter, companionship (friends/family/etc). These are identified as “needs”. If you are discussing x-box, a vacation in Tahiti, or a newer car…then no, you are focussing on secularity and not God.

God asks us to live the life we have to the fullest, and to love God with all of our hearts. It is the secular world that says we need “things”. Now, again, I’m not discussing the “needs” I listed above, but the superfalous list of needs that society flashes at us at every turn.

To be truthful, I used to desire these “things” with all that I had. When I did not attain them, I became bitter. Then God showed me the truth. How? I lost my place of “shelter” for a week. I was asked to leave the place I was living. I was homeless, living out of my car. I came to realize that my temporal needs made me real happy then. The wants…were wants.

Also, realize that God is not there to hand us everything. Reminds me of a story: A man came to God everyday asking to win the lottery. After three months of disappointments, this man came in front of the Eucharist and yelled at God: “God, you told me that if I prayed endlessly, and had faith, it would come true. Then why is it that you failed me.” A voice boomed from the heavens: “You have to buy a lottery ticket first.”

We have a part to play also. Work with God, pray to God. He has not abandoned you. You may have a part to play before your prayer is answered, or the answer may be no…you may be praying for the wrong thing.

Just my thoughts.

 

[third_servant]

PAPH:

God does know our needs. He knows the temporal, as well as spiritual.

Of course God knows we have needs. But he hates them.

First, what are your temporal needs? Man needs, food, clothing, shelter, companionship (friends/family/etc). These are identified as “needs”. If you are discussing x-box, a vacation in Tahiti, or a newer car…then no, you are focussing on secularity and not God.

Why do you think I’m some spoiled brat who is living in a rich neighborhood with rich parents who didn’t get his XBOX for his birthday and is whining???

The reality is: I’m out of work 4 years, live with my mom in a HIGH CRIME ZONEafraid for my life each and ever day, and I worry my mom will die from a criminal shooting her. When she dies, I’m out on the street and since I can’t find work, the rats will eat me alive!!! I can’t afford to move anywhere because that requires MONEY!!

God asks us to live the life we have to the fullest, and to love God with all of our hearts.

I love God he don’t love me back.

I came to realize that my temporal needs made me real happy then. The wants…were wants.

I don’t care if my temporal needs make me happy, that’s irrelevant. I really don’t care about “happiness” because I know I’ll never get that. I just need to have my needs taken care of.

People keep saying to trust God to take care of me, but he doesn’t want to do it, so how can I trust God? Reminds me of trying to depend on my cousin who is basically a leech and won’t help anyone. God is taking away, and is leeching.

Also, realize that God is not there to hand us everything.

Well, when I can’t do something, God has to be there to do it for me. REMEMBER IF I CANNOT DO SOMETHING I CANNOT DO SOMETHING!

I can’t get a job by myself. OK, so get me one.
I can’t find a better place for us to live. OK, so get us one.

This is not rocket science! Why doesn’t God understand???

We have a part to play also. Work with God, pray to God.

Then why doesn’t he tell me what I’m supposed to do?? I CANNOT READ HIS MIND!!

you may be praying for the wrong thing.

So an honest job is evil. A safer place to live is evil. So that means I should either commit suicide since God has given up on me, or go into crime too? I don’t want to do either (I have a code of ethics!), but when God refuses to help, and I gotta survive until the afterlife somehow (which the afterlife is the only thing God cares about) what am I supposed to do?

Why does God hate me?

 

[Dr.Colossus]

Well, when I can’t do something, God has to be there to do it for me. REMEMBER IF I CANNOT DO SOMETHING I CANNOT DO SOMETHING!

I can’t get a job by myself. OK, so get me one.
I can’t find a better place for us to live. OK, so get us one.

This is not rocket science! Why doesn’t God understand??

God is not some cosmic Santa Claus giving hand-outs to all the good little Christians. He is the ultimate Father, who helps His children to stand on their own two feet, but only with their cooperation.

Our prayers to God should not be “gimme”, even if it’s something we desperately need. We have to be willing to try to meet him halfway (or at least be willing to take a couple steps in His direction). You say you can’t get a job. First ask yourself *why *you can’t get a job and pray that God will help you overcome those reasons.

 

[third_servant]

Dr. Colossus:

God is not some cosmic Santa Claus giving hand-outs to all the good little Christians.

And yet another person who thinks I’m some spoiled brat living in a rich neighborhood, with rich parents and is whining because they didn’t buy him a ferrari for his 16th birthday. How condescending.

Our prayers to God should not be “gimme”,

So “ask and you shall receive” “Ask in faith and God will give it to you” verses in the Bible are really worthless like I am?

We have to be willing to try to meet him halfway (or at least be willing to take a couple steps in His direction). You say you can’t get a job. First ask yourself *why *you can’t get a job and pray that God will help you overcome those reasons.

I can’t get a job BECAUSE THERE ARE NO JOBS. PERIOD. God won’t create one so I can go there and get it.

Look, I’m good at what I do. Employers won’t let me show them. I can’t get past the paper pushers who take my resume/application and SIT ON IT.

What should I do? Should I strap a bomb on my body and threaten employers? Oh yeah, that will work! ROLLS EYES

I ask God WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO and HE WILL NOT TELL ME.

So basically, God wants me to do something, he won’t tell me what it is (not matter how many times I ask!!!), and then punishes me for not doing it. How is that just? How is that fair? Where’s God’s infinite justice here? Where’s God’s infinite generosity? Where’s God’s infinite love? God won’t even give me ESP so I can read his mind. He expects me to read his mind but won’t provide ESP. He won’t tell me what to do and punishes me when I don’t do what he wants.

HELLO!! GOD has to put up HIS SIDE TOO!!!

Either God broke his promises or I am so worthless that his promises don’t apply to me.

“God don’t make junk” Well, he did with me!

 

[AlanFromWichita]

third_servant:

Of course God knows we have needs. But he hates them.
…
I love God he don’t love me back.
…
This is not rocket science! Why doesn’t God understand???
…
Then why doesn’t he tell me what I’m supposed to do?? I CANNOT READ HIS MIND!!

First, take a breath. You are obviously in very difficult circumstances. For this moment, you are alive.

You said you cannot read God’s mind, but you also believe He doesn’t love you, that he hates temporal needs, and that God does not understand you?

So an honest job is evil. A safer place to live is evil. So that means I should either commit suicide since God has given up on me, or go into crime too? I don’t want to do either (I have a code of ethics!), but when God refuses to help, and I gotta survive until the afterlife somehow (which the afterlife is the only thing God cares about) what am I supposed to do?

How long have you felt that God does not wish you to have an honest job of a safer place to live?

Committing suicide is an attractive option because it takes away the pain. Not committing suicide is a more attractive option because it turned my pain into joy.

Last year, as part of a prolonged bout with severe bipolar disorder, I was very suicidal for several hours a days, for several months. No, things bite even worse. I am unemployed even though well qualified, have this alleged bipolar disorder, trying to raise a family of eight on $85 a week playing organ for Masses, my house burned down on Good Friday, and other things.

The peace I have now is tremendous. Like a said, God has turned my problems into joy.

Why does God hate me?

If you knew that He hated you, then you would also know why. The truth is, it just seems like he hates you.

Alan

 

[Dr.Colossus]

third_servant:

And yet another person who thinks I’m some spoiled brat living in a rich neighborhood, with rich parents and is whining because they didn’t buy him a ferrari for his 16th birthday. How condescending.

I’m not trying to be condescending. I’m being blunt. You wrote “I can’t get a job by myself. OK, so get me one.” All I’ve got to go on is what you write, and that sounds like you are just waiting for God to send an angel to your door with a job offer.

So “ask and you shall receive” “Ask in faith and God will give it to you” verses in the Bible are really worthless like I am?

No verse in the Bible is worthless and no person on Earth is worthless. “Ask and you shall receive” is followed immediately with “seek and you shall find”. We are expected to perform as much of the work for ourselves as we can.

I can’t get a job BECAUSE THERE ARE NO JOBS. PERIOD. God won’t create one so I can go there and get it.

Look, I’m good at what I do. Employers won’t let me show them. I can’t get past the paper pushers who take my resume/application and SIT ON IT.

Have you tried temp agencies? What about lower-paying, part-time work while you search for a better position?

 

[BLB_Oregon]

third_servant:

The reality is: I’m out of work 4 years, live with my mom in a HIGH CRIME ZONE afraid for my life each and ever day, and I worry my mom will die from a criminal shooting her. When she dies, I’m out on the street and since I can’t find work, the rats will eat me alive!!! I can’t afford to move anywhere because that requires MONEY!!..

So an honest job is evil. A safer place to live is evil. So that means I should either commit suicide since God has given up on me, or go into crime too? I don’t want to do either (I have a code of ethics!), but when God refuses to help, and I gotta survive until the afterlife somehow (which the afterlife is the only thing God cares about) what am I supposed to do?

Why does God hate me?

None of the things you hope for are evil. But your mom has not died and you are not out on the street. Aren’t you suffering enough already, without suffering fates that haven’t happened yet… and in all statistical likelihood, are never going to? All this worry is going to paralyze you!

There is no reason to believe God has given up, but dear one, it sounds very much as if you are close to it. Don’t give in to despair. As much as we want security, none of us knows what tomorrow is going to bring. Do give thanks that for today you do have your mother, today you do have something to eat, today you have a computer that lets you know there are people out there who care about you, today there have been no rats chewing on you, today you still survive and have enough health to look yet again for a job. Do today’s work, thank God for the goodness you receive today, and believe that God will provide tomorrow, too. And please, if it is at all possible, find someone whose skin you can touch to share these problems with. You need another human being in the worst way.

PS On a lighter note… you sound a little like Theresa of Avila, who during a particularly hard time, looked to heaven and said, “Lord, if this is the way you treat your friends, it is no wonder why you have so many enemies!” Hang in there… he has given hard times to many of his particular favorites.

 

[turboEDvo]

Well, I have wondered where God was when I got in a car crash, where He was when one of my friends killed himself, or when another girl at my church died a few months ago. While it sure didn’t feel like it at the time, God got me through all of that in one piece. You may not know it, but He is there. Keep trying (and I hate to say that, because it makes me mad when somebody else tells me that). He hasn’t abandoned you.

Eamon

 

[mikev]

I hope you don’t go to job interviews with the attitude you’ve expressed to the people trying to help you on this thread. You’re not owed anything; especially from God. Remember he’s God, not genie.

Take a breath, relax; anger is just going to make things worse. Thank God for the blessings he has given you; he has given you more than you’re aware of.

While looking for a job, perhaps you should read a little JOB in the old testament. He too was bitter at God and did lots of complaining; before he found out how bad things could really be.

We don’t know why we’re given the crosses we have to bear until later, if ever. How we handle our challenges is a reflection on us, not on God. I’m sure God has His reasons and plans for you. Wait patiently (more patiently); you’ll see.

 

[third_servant]

BLB_Oregon:

None of the things you hope for are evil.

God thinks so.

But your mom has not died and you are not out on the street.

NOT YET. There’s nothing to stop it from happening. God won’t step in and help.

Aren’t you suffering enough already, without suffering fates that haven’t happened yet… and in all statistical likelihood, are never going to? All this worry is going to paralyze you!

You’re assuming God is going to take care of me and prevent these bad things from happening to me. He doesn’t want to.

There is no reason to believe God has given up,

Why? God hasn’t helped in 4 years!!!

Do give thanks that for today you do have your mother, today you do have something to eat,

FOR NOW. I have no guarantee God will help me tomorrow. All I see is my life going down the drain, and I am helpless tostop it. God won’t help so I"m doomed.

today you have a computer that lets you know there are people out there who care about you,

It is not my computer, it is the computer at my local unemployment office - who can’t help me one iota, since there are no jobs.

and believe that God will provide tomorrow, too.

God won’t provide today. What makes you think he’ll provide tomorrow? I’m too worthless for him to help me. That’s why he won’t help me, I’m worthless.

PS On a lighter note… you sound a little like Theresa of Avila, who during a particularly hard time, looked to heaven and said, “Lord, if this is the way you treat your friends, it is no wonder why you have so many enemies!” Hang in there… he has given hard times to many of his particular favorites.

Yeah, God treats his friends like garbage. And then expects us to say “thank you sir, may I have another?”

 

[third_servant]

AlanFromWichita:

First, take a breath. You are obviously in very difficult circumstances. For this moment, you are alive.

Big deal. Alive and suffering. Life is a bunch of meaningless sufferings.

Life is supposed to be a GIFT. GIFTS are supposed to be GOOD THINGS like evil suffering.

You said you cannot read God’s mind, but you also believe He doesn’t love you, that he hates temporal needs, and that God does not understand you?

That is true.

How long have you felt that God does not wish you to have an honest job of a safer place to live?

How about many years?

The peace I have now is tremendous. Like a said, God has turned my problems into joy.

God loves you, he doesn’t love me. He hates temporal needs.

If you knew that He hated you, then you would also know why.

He won’t tell me why. If I knew why I could take action. But God hates me plain and simple.

 

[third_servant]

Dr. Colossus:

I’m not trying to be condescending. I’m being blunt. You wrote “I can’t get a job by myself. OK, so get me one.” All I’ve got to go on is what you write, and that sounds like you are just waiting for God to send an angel to your door with a job offer.

No, he can email me a job offer. I’ve done my part, he has to do his.

No verse in the Bible is worthless and no person on Earth is worthless. “Ask and you shall receive” is followed immediately with “seek and you shall find”. We are expected to perform as much of the work for ourselves as we can.

Well, I’m seeking and can’t find. God has to do his part too!

Have you tried temp agencies?

Yes. The only recruiters that bothered to get back to me are those who have temporary jobs. I work with them, but no job comes.

What about lower-paying, part-time work while you search for a better position?

I tried “dumbing down” my resume so I could get such a job. I never get past the job application.

I cannot show them how much I do great work. They won’t let me.

 

[third_servant]

turboEDvo:

God got me through all of that in one piece.

Because he loves you more than he loves me.

He hasn’t abandoned you.

I have trouble beliving that.

 

[Therese_Martin]

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