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Hi JohnDoe,
I read your post “why does God oppose me?” and I just had to reach out because I’ve been in a quite similar spiritual state for the last 3 yrs. I’m just now starting to come out of it.
You can read a post I made a while back here:
It was titled “does God demand more than an eye for an eye?”
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=465002
I felt rejected, abandoned, and even abused by God. I too questioned ‘what have I ever done?’ to deserve this level of suffering…
What you are going through is definitely a “dark night” period of your life, as described by St John of the Cross. St Teresa of Avila doesn’t use this terminology but speaks of periods of extreme desolation.
I suffered physically, being very ill in my mid 20s, and all though I don’t have a physical defect, I feel I can somewhat relate because one of the top Healing Priests in the world confirmed I have a severe curse of “rejection” in my life. It concerned others not seeing my value, especially everyone who was brought close to me in life who was ‘supposed to’.
Here’s a passage I quickly found online to describe the Dark Night

Now that the worst of my dark night ‘period’ is over… I see such a crazy change in myself… I’ve seen a lot of my veniel sins that I had no idea were there before, and have gotten better with them… (It’s kind of like the story of Job who ‘thought’ he was innocent, because he was doing such good in his life all ready… but if one really researches newadvent.org/cathen/08413a.htm one sees -look under the 2nd paragraph under ‘contents’- that “the sharp reproofs of Eliu and Yahweh leave no doubt of his sin”. I guess my point is we may think ourselves just, but we’re not perfect… and that’s what suffering does… it’s our mystical purgatory to help us reach absolute perfection… and we can’t enter heaven unless we’re at absolute perfection. )
The other change I see in myself is just how utterly detached I’ve become about things. It gives me such peace and happiness. I no longer care if I’m rejected by others… I know that God doesn’t reject me and I know in my vocation to marriage my future husband won’t reject me (it’s been a promise through many charismatic prayer teams, that I believe is there for others; as long as they suffer and pray for their spouse’s purification for many years while they’re young and single) … and that’s all that matters
I read your post “why does God oppose me?” and I just had to reach out because I’ve been in a quite similar spiritual state for the last 3 yrs. I’m just now starting to come out of it.
You can read a post I made a while back here:
It was titled “does God demand more than an eye for an eye?”
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=465002
I felt rejected, abandoned, and even abused by God. I too questioned ‘what have I ever done?’ to deserve this level of suffering…
What you are going through is definitely a “dark night” period of your life, as described by St John of the Cross. St Teresa of Avila doesn’t use this terminology but speaks of periods of extreme desolation.
I suffered physically, being very ill in my mid 20s, and all though I don’t have a physical defect, I feel I can somewhat relate because one of the top Healing Priests in the world confirmed I have a severe curse of “rejection” in my life. It concerned others not seeing my value, especially everyone who was brought close to me in life who was ‘supposed to’.
Here’s a passage I quickly found online to describe the Dark Night
But then it gives the Reason…The principal source of suffering in this night is an apparent abandonment by God. The soul is deprived of all delight and satisfaction in relations with God. It is closed in upon itself, faced with its own misery and lowliness; God appears as a ruthless and avenging judge. The soul desires more than ever to serve God but feels that it can in no way be acceptable to God. Although actually in a high state of perfection, it feels desolate rather than favored by God. It would welcome death as a release from its torture.
Any state of desolation as per Avila has this effect… (it doesn’t have to be the last Dark Night before complete holiness, or what they call the ‘transforming union’.)… these states purify… they account for our Purgatory here on earth.But the soul that passes through this night comes forth from this trial resplendent and beautiful, completely transformed in God, and free forever from its weaknesses, imperfections, and miseries. Having been completely purified of them by the terrible mystical purgatory it has suffered, it scales the heights of sanctity.
Now that the worst of my dark night ‘period’ is over… I see such a crazy change in myself… I’ve seen a lot of my veniel sins that I had no idea were there before, and have gotten better with them… (It’s kind of like the story of Job who ‘thought’ he was innocent, because he was doing such good in his life all ready… but if one really researches newadvent.org/cathen/08413a.htm one sees -look under the 2nd paragraph under ‘contents’- that “the sharp reproofs of Eliu and Yahweh leave no doubt of his sin”. I guess my point is we may think ourselves just, but we’re not perfect… and that’s what suffering does… it’s our mystical purgatory to help us reach absolute perfection… and we can’t enter heaven unless we’re at absolute perfection. )
The other change I see in myself is just how utterly detached I’ve become about things. It gives me such peace and happiness. I no longer care if I’m rejected by others… I know that God doesn’t reject me and I know in my vocation to marriage my future husband won’t reject me (it’s been a promise through many charismatic prayer teams, that I believe is there for others; as long as they suffer and pray for their spouse’s purification for many years while they’re young and single) … and that’s all that matters
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I used to think it was incredibly harsh the suffering we must go through for bits of purification.... cruel even. I still believe it's harsh. We do go through fire after all. Reading a book called "Fire Within" helped it all make sense..... the fire may seem cruel in intensity for a while, but we know not and grasp not what we will become. Pg 176 pf that book explains how we will become "Deiform" (God like or God-form)- "by participation in the Divine Life itself". (to be distinguished from Pantheism) To be God like?
That can't come from anything other than we as creatures of free will making ourselves worthy in a sense. We can make ourselves worthy of damnation or of Heaven. We even pray this with each Hail Holy Queen, "pray for us... that we may become worthy of the promises of Christ". And the only way to become worthy is to be willing to go through this fire.... and to die to self- to each and every blemish within us.
Padre Pio agreed that this is no light thing. In the book "Padre Pio : The True Story" on pg 128 it states "What is the reason for so much suffering? ... 'Religion' he wrote, 'is a hospital for spiritually sick people who want to be healed. To be healed, they must submit themselves to suffering, namely, to bloodletting, to the lance, to the razor, to the probe, to the scalpel, to the fire, and to all the bitterness of the medicine. In order to be spiritually cured, we have to submit to all the tortures of the divine Physician.'" Padre Pio is someone who went through an extreme dark night period in his youth as well, were he felt utterly rejected by God, who at that time appeared to him to be a cruel avenging judge. It let up during during the middle of his life, and then came back at the very end.