Why doesn't the Catholic Church catechize its members??

[Tim_Kirchoff]

i wish he would just excommunicate those who publicly promote abortion…

that would be SO cool!!!

do you know why he doesn’t???

The Church is in the business of saving souls, not kicking out everybody who doesn’t fit in. It is arguable as to whether excommunication will wake them up as to how far they are from the Church, and it may certainly be argued that, in publically supporting abortion, they incur the automatic excommunication associated with abortion, but in some ways the excommunication could be counterproductive. I don’t know if the Vatican would get much good press for it anyway

 

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This is the greatest problem in catechesis of our Catholic faith…people believe it is the “Church’s” responsibilities…when in fact is the responsibility of the parents…you will not find a single Church document that says it is the “Church” that is responsible. The official Church says repeatedly it is the responsibility of the parents to pass on faith and morals to the child.

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That is the Church’s primary “job”…

to teach the world God’s ways…

 

[jmjconder]

what if the parents themselves don’t know???

This is a legitimate question that many parents ask. May I remind them that many of them asked this same question often…how will I know how to cook? How will I know when my infant is hungry? How will I know when my infant needs to be fed? How will I know how to parent? How will I know…fill in the blank when it comes to raising children or being a parent…or being a spouse…or anything that pertains to the health and well being of our children.

We learn what needs to be learned for their ~ everything…for their school/driving/to success in their life/etc…etc…etc…however for some reason when it comes to the salvation of their souls we are often quick to put that off to Father…the Deacon…the DRE…the Youth Minister…anyone other than ourselves.

The bottom line is as parents we learn everything else…we need to learn the faith as well…so if we don’t know it? Learn it…know it…pass it on. When we get to heaven God will not be concerned about how many sports games we got our children to…how many dance recitals we were in attendance at…how many times we took our children to DQ…he will ask us…how did we do in passing on THE FAITH.

Our answer…well I could not do that because I did not know enough…will not be good enough for God!

 

[Tim_Kirchoff]

this is outrageous…
Who the — is Shiva anyway?? Not that i particulary need to know (?)… What did she say aabout our pope? I’d assume she doesn’t like him because he’s conservative…or rather Orthodox

Shiva is a Hindu god. There seems to be a tendency among the more liberal Catholics toward Eastern religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism. Yoga, another development of Eastern mystic relgions, also tend to be popular in such circles.

i frankly am not crazy about what i know of (have seen of) Vatican II changes… I don’t like the handholding during the Our Father… or the greeting in the middle of Mass… i don’t like priests getting out of the pulpit during homilies… and interacting w/ the congregation (askign questions, etc)… I believe there were a lot of masons @ Vat II council & they influenced things more than we may ever know… Thankfully they didn’t get all they wanted… but they go Communion in hand… and it seems that Com in hand = irreverence. Plus people can take the HOst out of the Church and if they want desecrate it IHim)…

Why we needed this change is beyond me…

I don’t have a window into the head of the Pope who called the council (John XXIII, right? ), but the documents themselves, or what I’ve seen of them, are quite good and quite orthodox. The problematic results of Vatican II were the actually the result of misguided expectations of some clergy and laity and how those expectations manifested themselves in the implementation of the Council.

I remember some quotation i read yrs ago… don’t recall who said it… or the exact words but something to the effect that the most cold hearted people are the ones who most love change…

improvement is one thing, change (just for the sake of change) is another…

I am NOT talking about improvements… the greeting in the middle of Mass just gets the focus off God and onto (back onto) people… If someone is not too happy with you… they can give you the cold shouler… turn to someone s/he likes & be all smiles w/ that person…

that’s all we need - another opportunity to exhibit un-Christian behavior… durin Mass, of all places…

I believe that there is talk of moving the sign of peace to the begining of Mass, where it will detract less from the Eucharist. Having the Mass in the vernacular is not a bad thing, but it has to be done with the proper reverence.

 

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Therefore, I stand firm…any Catholic who wishes to be fully catechized…can be if they desire!

I’m speaking of people who don’t even know enough to know that they should DESIRE such a thing…

analogy: you can’t know you need to lower your blood pressure if you never check your blood pressure… if you don’t even know what blood pressure is… No one can see his blood… or his veins/arteries… he has to be told he has such things…

and that there are ways to take care of them…

 

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I believe that there is talk of moving the sign of peace to the begining of Mass, where it will detract less from the Eucharist. Having the Mass in the vernacular is not a bad thing, but it has to be done with the proper reverence.

i wouldn’t mind if they eliminated altogether… I think at mass the focus should be entirely on God… we have all week long to put up with humanoids…

 

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I kind of agree with what you say here. Our pastor is out of seminary less then three years, and he and I have talked about adult Christian ed, and reintroducing Lutheranism to Lutherans, like sermons/homilies that return focus to our Lutheran Confessions, and the early councils, etc.

An earlier post lays some blame at liberalism in seminaries. Well, Catholics have no corner on that, and I think it does play a part in moral education.

I think yours was a good post.
Jon

my priest has been out of seminary for yrs and yrs… and… well, he doesn’t sound too Catholic sometimes…

no one seems to want to pick up his cross and carry it…

including me… but oh well… if it was something we wanted to do it wouldn’t be called a cross…

 

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The Church is in the business of saving souls, not kicking out everybody who doesn’t fit in. It is arguable as to whether excommunication will wake them up as to how far they are from the Church, and it may certainly be argued that, in publically supporting abortion, they incur the automatic excommunication associated with abortion, but in some ways the excommunication could be counterproductive. I don’t know if the Vatican would get much good press for it anyway

frankly, i don’t care about “counterproductive”, whatever that subjectiv-sounding word means here…

i’m with the pope… smaller Church but stronger…

and the main (one of the main) purposes of the Church is to stand up in the world against anti-Christ sentiments, attitudes, behaviors… and say NO, this is wrong… (not that any9one will listen… Catholics don’t even listen… but that’s not the point).

i don’t see priests/bishops standing up much … its not happening on near the scale it should be in my opinin…

all this warm and fuzzy ecumenism stuff just makes people think the Church is weak… people take kindness for weakness…

because the Church (i feel) is not standing up to evil as much as it should… in the ways it should… evil is running rampant…

and the Church is seen as “just another one”…

another one of many “Christian” religions… schools of opinion… philosophies

when it is actually objective moral truth… that does not change… (God’s way, not man’s way)

 

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The Church is in the business of saving souls, not kicking out everybody who doesn’t fit in. It is arguable as to whether excommunication will wake them up as to how far they are from the Church, and it may certainly be argued that, in publically supporting abortion, they incur the automatic excommunication associated with abortion, but in some ways the excommunication could be counterproductive. I don’t know if the Vatican would get much good press for it anyway

who said anyting about kicking anyone out? They just can’t take Communion…

 

[Robert_in_SD]

Trouble in catechesis could be attributed by consequence to the trouble in the seminaries after Vatican II, which led to a more liberal clergy which de-emphasized the traditional Catholic faith.

But it’s not fair to blame everything on priests. Everyone has an obligation to share their faith. The Church does not consist only of the clergy, but of the laity as well. Everyone needs to do their part.

The primary responsibility for raising children in the faith rests with the parents. If you are looking for the reason, it is probably best to start by looking in the home, where Catholic families seem to be tracking with the rest of western society with respect to divorce, separation, etc.

If the parents abdicate their responsibility, the Church should not be expected to pick up the slack, especially in these times of increased persecution and increased government intrusion.

There are ongoing attempts to chatechize the faithful. Many of these efforts fail for lack of participation… The adage, “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.” comes to mind.

Peace,
Robert

 

[Tim_Kirchoff]

who said anyting about kicking anyone out? They just can’t take Communion…

Quite frankly, I tend to agree with you here; I just think it’s important to be aware of other points of view on important issues.