Why even believe there was a cross?

[paarsurrey]

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Mary did die and is buried

Originally Posted by paarsurrey:
Hi friend josie L!

If you just think for a while; you would realize that John could’t be there.

It cannot be that Jesus uttered a senteces on the Cross and others would have forgotten to record it. If Jesus would have given Mary in charge of John for care in his absence; every body present must have remembered it. These were perhaps last words of Jesus on the Cross; if those who were present could afford to neglect it, then one may ask then, what was the purpose of their presence there. Was it just a scene to enjoy with? Impossible, in my opinion.

Why should have Jesus put Mary in the care of John, to start with?

If as our Catholic friends believe Catholic-god-Jesus was to come alive as soon he was dead on the Cross; logically he needed not to put Mary in anybody’s care. He would be himself there to take care of her. He could have even earlier sent Mary to heavens; if he was so much worried about her.

This also shows that Jesus did not died on Cross and he went alongwith Mary to India where hid died a natural and peaceful death, as also his mother Mary.

You may think on these lines, if you may, no compulsion, please.

I love Jesus and John the Baptist; both born naturally and normally of their mothers; they both were equally Word of God, and of course Adam might be a Word of God also. This is what is described to be Word became flesh; all three persons mentioned above were Words became flesh, in my opinion.

Thanks

St. Joseph is commonly regarded as having passed away before the Crucifixion, which would have left Mary without a husband. God works his grace in and through mankind. When the Christian widows were denied their distribution of food, the Apostles established individuals to make sure they did receive their distribution.

You write, “Jesus did not die on the Cross.” This makes your position quite clear.

Jesus’ ministry was oriented towards his violent end in Jerusalem. Jesus in several places prophesies his own death in Jerusalem. All the gospels include significant narratives of Jesus’ trial before Pilate, as well as his suffering and death on the Cross.

Of course, I am thinking that this does not mean much to you, because, if I am right, you place little confidence in the gospel accounts in their portrayals of Jesus.

As I understand it, Islam generally rejects that Jesus died on the cross. However, while Islam can explain this in several ways recycled from the ancient heretics (e.g. there was no crucifixion of Jesus; there was a substitute for Jesus; Jesus only appeared to die, etc.), the cross remains.

Why even believe there was a cross?

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi friend Madaglan!

I think except for Catholicims, no other religion ever has attached any significance to the Cross, in my opinion.

I think it was a failed strategy of Paul, in my opinion; to build his theological philosophy on this feeble web, he thought to made of steel, in my opinion.

I love Jesus so I would defend him against strange teachings of Paul. This is only my opinion, please.

Thanks

 

[Jay53]

All of Christianity puts significance on the cross. That is where Jesus died and obviously Jesus Christ, as the Son of God, is the center of Christianity. Why would any other religion put any significance on the cross?

I love Jesus and would defend Him against the strange musings of paarsurrey.

 

[Cluny]

I think except for Catholicims, no other religion ever has attached any significance to the Cross, in my opinion.

That’s because you are perishing, paarsurrey.

“The message of the Cross is FOOLISHNESS to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”

You’re in danger of perishing in eternal flames with your precious Mohamed, Krishna, and demons you call “Jesus” and “Mary.”