Why has the mass changed? Help?

[Angels_Eyes]

I hadn’t been to mass in a while and was confused why we still do not sing the “Lord have mercy/Kyrie Eleison” and also no longer singing the Gloria. I loved singing these and am unsure if I like the changes.

Is it just the time of year?

Thanks.

 

[Ad_Orientem]

I take it the Kyrie and Gloria were not omitted, but were *said *rather than sung. This is an option given in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, no. 53. Which way is chosen could just be personal preference of the priest, or maybe he has a special reason (sore throat, lots of Masses to offer that day, etc.). It wouldn’t be the liturgical season, because we’re in the middle of “ordinary time” (or in the extraordinary form, time after Pentecost).

 

[pianistclare]

Was it a daily Mass?

The Mass has not changed.
How long has it been?

 

[seagal]

We still sing the Lord Have Mercy and Gloria, but not at every mass. Usually there’s a cantor or choir at Sunday masses and the Saturday vigil, but not at weekday masses. If there’s no cantor or choir and if the priest likes to sing, he might intone the Gloria himself and everyone joins in.

 

[ProVobis]

I hadn’t been to mass in a while and was confused why we still do not sing the “Lord have mercy/Kyrie Eleison” and also no longer singing the Gloria. I loved singing these and am unsure if I like the changes.

You are referring to the English changes in the Gloria perhaps which came into effect in 2011? The old Gloria songs were obsoleted, but not all parishes now sing the new translation AFAIK.

 

[SMH_2015]

We never sing the Kyrie, & only say it on the rare occasion when we don’t say the “general confession.” We always sing the Gloria…it’s my favorite.

But I have noticed we sing Lamb of God differently now, beginning a few weeks ago…

 

[Phemie]

We never sing the Kyrie, & only say it on the rare occasion when we don’t say the “general confession.” We always sing the Gloria…it’s my favorite.

But I have noticed we sing Lamb of God differently now, beginning a few weeks ago…

Is it the words that are different or the music?

 

[jilly4ski]

Is it the words that are different or the music?

Indeed, most churches alternate and switch out their musical settings for the mass parts relatively regularly, even not using a musical setting (often in ordinary time). I have only seen the Kryie sung during lent (unfortunately).

The penitential rite has three options of which the priest could choose from any of them.

Formulas of general confession in the Ordinary Form

** Formula A **(A prayer often called the Confiteor, and less frequently the Mea Culpa):

All: I confess to almighty God,
and to you, my brothers and sisters,
that I have greatly sinned
in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done,
and in what I have failed to do;
through my fault
through my fault
through my most grievous fault
Therefore, I ask blessed Mary, ever virgin,
all the angels and saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God.

Priest: May almighty God have mercy on us, forgive us our sins, and bring us to everlasting life. Amen.

** Formula B:**

Priest: Have mercy on us, Lord.
Congregation: For we have sinned against you.
Priest: Show us, O Lord, your mercy.
Congregation: And grant us your salvation.

** Formula C** (said or sung by the deacon or priest, or sung by a cantor):

Minister: You were sent to heal the contrite (or a similar invocation): Lord, have mercy.
Congregation: Lord, have mercy.
Minister: You came to call sinners (or a similar invocation): Christ, have mercy.
Congregation: Christ, have mercy.
Minister: You plead for us at the right hand of the Father (or a similar invocation): Lord, have mercy.
Congregation: Lord, have mercy.

In all cases, the formula of absolution that follows is:

Priest: May almighty God have mercy on us, forgive us our sins, and bring us to everlasting life.
Congregation: Amen.

The Penitential Acts follows the entrance of the priest (ideally to the sound of the entrance antiphon or a hymn), and his greeting of the altar (which he kisses) and of the people (with a formula such as “The Lord be with you”).[1]** In turn it is followed by the Kyrie eleison (unless the third of the three formulas, which incorporates the Kyrie, has been chosen as the Penitential Act)**, the Gloria (if used), and the Collect, which concludes the Introductory Rites.[2]

When certain celebrations are combined with Mass the Penitential Act, as well as other parts of the Introductory Rites, is omitted or performed in a different way.[3] An example is the Mass of Ash Wednesday, in which the blessing and imposition of ashes, after the homily, replaces the Penitential Act at the beginning.

“On Sundays, especially in the Season of Easter, in place of the customary Penitential Act, from time to time the Blessing and Sprinkling of Water to recall Baptism may take place.”[4]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penitential_Rite

 

[ccmcmg]

I hadn’t been to mass in a while and was confused why we still do not sing the “Lord have mercy/Kyrie Eleison” and also no longer singing the Gloria. I loved singing these and am unsure if I like the changes.

Is it just the time of year?

Thanks.

My home parish is currently not singing the Gloria during the summer. I only heard the announcement that it would not be sung, but not the reasoning behind it.

An area Cathedral, home of the Bishop, currently DOES sing the Gloria.

 

[Angels_Eyes]

Thank you all so much for your replies.

It was Sunday mass…I forgot to say that. I much prefer singing that saying the Gloria and Lord have mercy…I actually find when I sing the Gloria, I know it off by heart, when they say it, I have to grab my missal. A little strange maybe.

I have asked a lady who works in my parish office the reason why we not longer sing and I am still waiting on hearing back from her.

Thank you all again.

God Bless.

 

[brad90956]

Our Church sings the Kyrie and Gloria during weekend masses.

 

[Phemie]

Thank you all so much for your replies.

It was Sunday mass…I forgot to say that. I much prefer singing that saying the Gloria and Lord have mercy…I actually find when I sing the Gloria, I know it off by heart, when they say it, I have to grab my missal. A little strange maybe.

I have asked a lady who works in my parish office the reason why we not longer sing and I am still waiting on hearing back from her.

Thank you all again.

God Bless.

So what you are saying is that the Kyrie & the Gloria are still there, they are simply not sung? It’s not necessary to sing all these things. Some parishes only sing them on more solemn Sundays and Feasts and recite them at other times. I must admit that in my parish we never sing the Kyrie because Fr. always uses the third option of the Penitential Rite and he doesn’t sing.

Like you, I find it easier to sing the Gloria than recite it, particularly since 2011 and the new text. The same applies to the Sanctus since they changed that one too.

 

[ccmcmg]

So what you are saying is that the Kyrie & the Gloria are still there, they are simply not sung? It’s not necessary to sing all these things. Some parishes only sing them on more solemn Sundays and Feasts and recite them at other times. I must admit that in my parish we never sing the Kyrie because Fr. always uses the third option of the Penitential Rite and he doesn’t sing.

Like you, I find it easier to sing the Gloria than recite it, particularly since 2011 and the new text. The same applies to the Sanctus since they changed that one too.

We also generally sing the Gloria (except this summer), occasionally the Kyrie, and a few others. I miss singing the Lord’s Prayer.

It’s easier for me to sing the Gloria as well.

The former priest (he transferred) at my mom’s home parish sang every part of the Mass that was available. She didn’t like it; I loved it!