Why hasn't Benedict XVI celebrated mass ad orientem?

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JNB:
Somtimes a Pastor can make his preferences known, and the flock will follow like sheep. Still, unless it is a small parish, I dont know how a half kneeling, half standing conregation would work. At my parish, all use the rail with the exception of those who can not kneel, and they stand in front of the rail.

On the other hand, a small handful of parishes that use the rail and have other liturgical “innovations” such as EMHCs, altar girls, etc, may have a less traditional parishoner base.
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The old pastor preferred us to kneel and the last several new pastors seem to prefer standing although they give us the option. How does it work? Those who prefer to stand go first and then those of us who prefer to kneel wait until they are done and then kneel and the priest then gives Communion to the kneelers. No altar girls in my parish.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Yup, at 6:30 AM…if it’s any consolation, I do it quietly…and I’ve NEVER raised my hands toward priest or altar.
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A daily Communicant, eh Kirk? I knew there was something peculiar about you. 😃

I’ve only been going daily for a little over two months. I do not know how people manage to do it for years at a time. There are many mornings where I crave that extra half hour sleep. But I tell the devil to go pound sand and get up anyway.
 
A couple of observations.

The Norvus Ordo did not replace TLM until approx 1971. I was in 2nd grade at the time and I remember the jack hammers in the Church. The Jack hammers only moved the altars away from the back (or front depending how you look at it) of the sactuary. The communion rails did not get removed until the 1980s.

I was in Rome in 2003. The Masses I attended in St Peters had all the responses in Latin. For such an international venue this is the norm.

B16 probably will not celebrate ad orientum, unless it is in at an altar that can only accomodate that posture. I attended Mass at St Francis’ tomb and ad orientum was the only was to do it.

B16 celebrating the 1962 Missal. Don’t hold your breath. It would be great, but since the Pope is being guided by the Holy Spirit, I just don’t see it happening soon or if at all.

-DF
 
B16 celebrating the 1962 Missal. Don’t hold your breath. It would be great, but since the Pope is being guided by the Holy Spirit, I just don’t see it happening soon or if at all.
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so you are assuming that the Holy Spirit is opposed to ad orientem? i think that the pope is doing what he thinks is most prudent at this time. he says that endless activism is harmful to the liturgy. i think making all priests face the altar again may be right, but it may be too right and that’s the problem. it might cause more harm then good and besides, many bishops and priests are against it anyways.

B16 would rather the turn happen organically from the bottom up. since VII, the church doesn’t force or condem, but would rather truth speak for itself.
 
Excuse me, folks, but could we respect our Holy Father’s name, which he chose with much prayerful reflection, and at least call him Pope Benedict, or Benedict? I doubt it would take any longer than 5 seconds to type it fully. It seems disrespectful to refer to this holy man as B16.

Thanks for understanding. 🙂

Carole
 
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Joysong:
Excuse me, folks, but could we respect our Holy Father’s name, which he chose with much prayerful reflection, and at least call him Pope Benedict, or Benedict? I doubt it would take any longer than 5 seconds to type it fully. It seems disrespectful to refer to this holy man as B16.

Thanks for understanding. 🙂

Carole
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Actually, I thought I read that he liked that.
Something about being the first “Text-mail” Pope. He loves young people and I wouldn’t doubt it, but to make you feel better, I’ll see if I can find the article.

If we type JPII, B16 is not that far off.
 
oat soda:
so you are assuming that the Holy Spirit is opposed to ad orientem? i think that the pope is doing what he thinks is most prudent at this time. he says that endless activism is harmful to the liturgy. i think making all priests face the altar again may be right, but it may be too right and that’s the problem. it might cause more harm then good and besides, many bishops and priests are against it anyways.

B16 would rather the turn happen organically from the bottom up. since VII, the church doesn’t force or condem, but would rather truth speak for itself.
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Great post!
 
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Joysong:
Excuse me, folks, but could we respect our Holy Father’s name, which he chose with much prayerful reflection, and at least call him Pope Benedict, or Benedict? I doubt it would take any longer than 5 seconds to type it fully. It seems disrespectful to refer to this holy man as B16.

Thanks for understanding. 🙂

Carole
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I don’t think anyone here is suggesting anything other than love when they call Pope Benedict B16. Nicknames have, for many years, been a term of endearment. You choose to see it as a sign of disrespect. I choose to see it as a term of endearment. I’m pretty confident that when he sees signs saying “We love B16!” He is anything but displeased. You should assume love, not disrepect.
 
I have been typing on message boards for 10 years. Short hand is short hand. There is no disrespect…it’s just short hand.
 
I appreciate your feedback, DF, about the “shorthand.” Maybe I’m just having flashbacks to the days when I was parish secretary responsible for the church bulletin. I had shorthanded “Christmas” and used, instead, the word Xmas. You can be assured my pastor had some very strong words to say about this! I never forgot it. 😛

C
 
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bear06:
I don’t think anyone here is suggesting anything other than love when they call Pope Benedict B16. Nicknames have, for many years, been a term of endearment. You choose to see it as a sign of disrespect. I choose to see it as a term of endearment. I’m pretty confident that when he sees signs saying “We love B16!” He is anything but displeased. You should assume love, not disrepect.
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B16 does sound a little disrespectful, actually more than a little disrespectful, a lot disrespectful.
 
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warrior71:
B16 does sound a little disrespectful, actually more than a little disrespectful, a lot disrespectful.
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I like it just b/c of the militaristic implications. And I think it’s fitting since he doesn’t take anyone’s nonsense! 👍
 
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JSmitty2005:
I like it just b/c of the militaristic implications. And I think it’s fitting since he doesn’t take anyone’s nonsense! 👍
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LOL! This will probably be the one thing we agree upon on these forums!
 
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JSmitty2005:
I like it just b/c of the militaristic implications. And I think it’s fitting since he doesn’t take anyone’s nonsense! 👍
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I will withold judgement on that for a while. In spite of all the posturing by supporters, the Holy Father really hasn’t done much so far, and given his statement that he fully supports the Reforms of Vatican II, and plans to continue them, I somehow doubt that he will do much. As to not taking any nonsense, I haven’t seem much of that either. While true he wrote a lot before assuming the Papacy, I don’t think he can be held to making wholescale changes or even minor ones without the support of the Bishops, irregardless as to what he may personally prefer.

Having said that he is the Pope, the Vicar of Christ and deserves our obedience, support and respect, so I re state, B16 makes him sound like a vitamin compound. Show the man the respect that he deserves as the representative of Christ on earth…

Or would you advocate calling Christ JC I??
 
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