Why I, Unlike Senator Rubio, Would Not Attend a Gay Wedding

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"The problem for me in celebrating your gay wedding, as much as I love you, is that I would be witnessing and celebrating your attempt not only to commit yourself to a relationship that keeps you from God’s plan but, worse, I would be witnessing and celebrating your attempt to hold the man you love to a vow that he will avoid God’s plan. To vow oneself to sin is one thing, to try to hold someone you love to it — that’s not something I can celebrate."

Why I, Unlike Senator Rubio, Would Not Attend a Gay Wedding
nationalreview.com/article/417062/why-i-unlike-senator-rubio-would-not-attend-gay-wedding-maggie-gallagher
 
I don’t think I would or wouldn’t vote for a candidate based solely on if they would or would not attend an event.

Like, we have lost the fight. Gay marriages are happening. They will continue. And I am pretty sure the Supreme Court is going to rule in favor for them. Can we PLEASE discuss something that can actually be fixed with our nation in this presidential race. Marriage is long gone topic.
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
I don’t think I would or wouldn’t vote for a candidate based solely on if they would or would not attend an event.

Like, we have lost the fight. Gay marriages are happening. They will continue. And I am pretty sure the Supreme Court is going to rule in favor for them. Can we PLEASE discuss something that can actually be fixed with our nation in this presidential race. Marriage is long gone topic.
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If we’ve lost the fight, why do so many votring blocs who vote liberal disagree with so-called gay “marriage”?

The progressives haven’t even sold their base on the issue, and now we’ve got study after study that shows so-called gay “marriage” is a bad investment for states from credible academic institutions.

So the issue is hardly “over”, certainly not when stakeholder perception is accounted for.

So I would ask everyone not to buy into that propaganda. Zealots & activists use the “it’s over, it’ll be here forever and there’s nothing you can do about it, it’s decided” mentality a lot to make it look like they’ve got more support than they actually do.

The fight for marriage, however, will need to happen at the grassroots level. And it can if Catholics and other religious groups get back to the fundamental basics and stop the excuse-making.
 
SuperLuigi said:
If we’ve lost the fight, why do so many votring blocs who vote liberal disagree with so-called gay “marriage”?

The progressives haven’t even sold their base on the issue, and now we’ve got study after study that shows so-called gay “marriage” is a bad investment for states from credible academic institutions.

So the issue is hardly “over”, certainly not when stakeholder perception is accounted for.

So I would ask everyone not to buy into that propaganda. Zealots & activists use the “it’s over, it’ll be here forever and there’s nothing you can do about it, it’s decided” mentality a lot to make it look like they’ve got more support than they actually do.

The fight for marriage, however, will need to happen at the grassroots level. And it can if Catholics and other religious groups get back to the fundamental basics and stop the excuse-making.
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I’m not a zealot or an activist. :rolleyes: I’m a realist.

If there was a nationwide vote tomorrow making SSM legal or illegal, SSM would be legal everywhere. Here are a few polls:
pollingreport.com/civil.htm

37 states have legalized it. Apparently people don’t care what credible institutions have to say, or what The Church has to say, or what most religions have to say.
 
I tend to agree with KendraDZ. The church has lost a lot of authority over the culture and a lot of politicians can’t wait to announce that they are for gay marriage.

Things would be different if President Obama held the line and kept saying that marriage was between 1M/1W, but he changed his mind and there’s no political price to be paid if you come out for gay marriage. In fact, the opposite tends to be true.

The fact is that a lot of our mainstream institutions have failed to hold the line and we are reaping the consequences. The (Protestant) mainline denominations have gone gay and lost a lot of grassroots support because of this. However, it’s not like they’ve lost favor with elites and the media loves to play up the stories about this church or that church allowing gays to marry or be ordained or whatever. Remember this country is primarily Protestant, so it matters a lot more when they start getting wobbly on Christian doctrine and Christian values in this culture.

On a personal level, I tend to think that there are a lot of people who say they are for gay marriage, but really aren’t. However, they’ve also seen how people have lost their jobs over speaking out or have “being outed” for a political donation that expresses another opinion. So, they aren’t interested in rocking the boat and losing their jobs.

Honestly, where we “win” this issue is in our churches, by making sure that our leadership doesn’t go wobbly and start talking about how gay people should be able to receive the sacrament of marriage. Uh - no. We “win” by upholding Catholic values (or conservative Christian values) in the face of a culture that will despise us for telling the truth.

I think that’s what SuperLuigi means by the church not making excuses - as in stop making excuses for Christian doctrine and what we believe. Stop adapting to the culture and teach real Christianity.

Honestly, this is a major reason why I joined the Catholic church. The RCC is really the strongest Christian institution out there fighting on these controversial issues and still is zealously Christian. I don’t have to doubt that I’m learning (and teaching my son) authentic Christianity. My secular friends often find Christians to be hypocritical because either we don’t practice what we preach or they are told two different things by two different Christians and they don’t know what the truth really is. There’s a hunger for the truth, but a lot of people just give up because Christians aren’t united.

If I’m wrong, I hope that SuperLuigi will correct me or explain their thoughts further.
 
WilliamOK said:
"The problem for me in celebrating your gay wedding, as much as I love you, is that I would be witnessing and celebrating your attempt not only to commit yourself to a relationship that keeps you from God’s plan but, worse, I would be witnessing and celebrating your attempt to hold the man you love to a vow that he will avoid God’s plan. To vow oneself to sin is one thing, to try to hold someone you love to it — that’s not something I can celebrate."

Why I, Unlike Senator Rubio, Would Not Attend a Gay Wedding
nationalreview.com/article/417062/why-i-unlike-senator-rubio-would-not-attend-gay-wedding-maggie-gallagher
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I wouldn’t go, but I ask:

Why would you feel the need to say anything? Simply don’t go!

Finger and tongue wagging are not going to change their mind, it will only damage whatever relationship you have with either of the principles.
 
The purpose of the article is to explain WHY some of us would not go.

It is offering some tips that may be helpful to people who feel torn between friendships and their faith.

If you have people you care about who will feel hurt because you feel you would betray your conscience if you went to their gay wedding, or the gay wedding of one of their children, this article might assist you in explaining your actions, and perhaps sparing their feelings to some extent, lest they mistake adherence to your faith for an act of disrespect, or lack of love. They may well be offended anyway no matter what you do, but these are just some tips to help clarify. You’re certainly not going to see these tips on CNN.

It is not telling you not to go.

It is not even talking about stopping gay marriage laws.

If you want to go, go. If you don’t want to talk about it, don’t.
 
Facinating that once again this is not about personal friends and family members, but about “a group”. When you are faced with this dilemma then it is different because love and feelings and relationships are involved.:confused:
 
kozlosap said:
Facinating that once again this is not about personal friends and family members, but about “a group”. When you are faced with this dilemma then it is different because love and feelings and relationships are involved.:confused:
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Your comment demonstrates perfectly why the article is necessary.

Talking to personal friends and family members is E X A C T L Y what the article is about, especially the part I explicitly quoted, so you don’t even have to follow the link to see what I’m talking about.

Yet you still don’t get it.

So you illustrate perfectly the state of the game on religious liberty and gay marriage. One side simply won’t or can’t hear the other side’s point of view at all. It’s like they don’t even want to hear it. They don’t seem to be making that conciliatory effort.

The article is not a cure-all. But it just shows that our side is trying its best to meet those on the other side of the fence half way. Further than that, we just can’t go. We’ve seen how important it is for our side to use only the exact right words, since offense is taken so very easily on this issue. We’re trying! Hopefully God is pleased, both with the effort, and the sacrifices that must be made when you’re consistently, perhaps even deliberately, misunderstood anyway.

So I’m actually very proud of this effort by traditional marriage advocates like the author of the article. And folks like Memories Pizza. They truly are speaking the truth in love. And the other side is trying to twist it into something else. I guess some people just can’t or won’t hear the truth for some reason.
 
I “GET IT”, it is easier to define and make bold statements about hypothetical events than it is to deal with the face of your child when you announce that you will not attend their ceremony because it would cause scandal. Life is too short. Yes, I’m a progressive, but in this instance , my view comes from observing what happened to a family when the parents refused to attend their daughter’s wedding held in a park.

My friends have seven children and are very faithful Catholics. The oldest daughter fell in love with a non Catholic and decided to marry in a ceremony presided over by a judge. When my friends did not attend ceremony, they literally lost their family. This happened five years ago and except for the one adult child who is a special needs person, they have had no communication with the other six. The mother had a breakdown and is on medication. They have not seen any of their grandchildren. If any here think that my friends were right, more power to you. 🤷
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
I’m not a zealot or an activist. :rolleyes: I’m a realist.

If there was a nationwide vote tomorrow making SSM legal or illegal, SSM would be legal everywhere. Here are a few polls:
pollingreport.com/civil.htm

37 states have legalized it. Apparently people don’t care what credible institutions have to say, or what The Church has to say, or what most religions have to say.
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Yet,

“A lie doesn’t become truth, wrong doesn’t become right and evil doesn’t become good, just because it is accepted by a majority.”

~RICK WARREN
 
InSearchofGrace said:
Yet,

“A lie doesn’t become truth, wrong doesn’t become right and evil doesn’t become good, just because it is accepted by a majority.”

~RICK WARREN
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I didn’t say lies could be truths, that wrongs become right, or that evil becomes good, just because it is accepted by the majority.
 
I have a homosexual daughter who is in a committed relationship with another woman. I suspect they will, at some point, decide to get “married”. I can tell you from my perspective this is an issue that us much easier to handle in the abstract than it is when you are personally involved.
 
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