Why insulting prophet Muhammad?!

[jay29]

A false prophet is one who contradicts other true prophets.
Muhammed contradicted Jesus in every way.
Muhammed = false prophet
Not to be un-christianlike, but the truth sometimes hurts

Isaiah and the Psalmist predicted Jesus’s coming amongst others
John the Baptist pointed Jesus out

 

[jay29]

A false prophet is one who contradicts other true prophets.
Muhammed contradicted Jesus in every way.
Muhammed = false prophet
Not to be un-christianlike, but the truth sometimes hurts

 

[Myangel]

Vintagecoils:

To Faith 101,

We as Christians of the true God of Abraham know that men are sinners and no one ever claimed prophets to be other wise. However through the Holy Spirit they taught the word of God. Its irrevelant that you reject their sins.

If you do not know the old testament then you have know way of knowing if your prohet is teaching about the same God or if what he teaches is not different then the prophets of the old testament.

The Old testament foretold the coming of Christ and what he would bring to man. All the prophets of the old testement taught in unison. Your prophet does not teach the same things or about the same God.

It is not just the same message of just “worship God” first off you can not verify that the God your prophet presented to you is the same God of Abraham and Jesus because you can not verify with the past teachings. You don’t know the old teachings to beable to confirm what he has said. Even Jesus verified what he taught with the teachings of the old prophets. Jesus came for all as he told us. Jew and Gentile. How can your prophet change his teachings. He was not there. However there are hundreds of witnesses to what Jesus taught yet you reject it. Jesus sent his disciples out to all parts of the world to spread the gospel.
Its not enough for someone to say they are related to me because they called their mother “mommy” One would need to go back to the beginning to truelly know if indeed we shared the same blood parent. Just because you say your prophet is teaching about the same God does not hold up against the scrictural teachings or evidence. You have taken the word of one man with absolutely no historical connection of doctrine or human verification. Just like the Mormoms.

No I do not need to know every wind of doctrine. If I know the right path to reach my destination I do not need to wonder around going down paths that will prevent me from reaching my destination. If anything I run the risk of not making it to my destination being sidetracked. Read the bible parable about the 10 virgins. Having said that I have however studied Islam, hinduism, buddism, confucious B’hai, suffiism, and a few others. All were incomplete, or completely leading one nowhere, many were lacking in trully being insink with the true human experience or had no relationship with God but were self oriented. I found Islam to be the epitimy of denial and the inability to submitt. It is all about your prophets insecurity and inability to submit to The God of Abraham.

I come to the non-catholic part of this forum because people come from other denominations and religions to learn about Catholic beliefs. I was not aware that you came to this forum to ask questions about christians and not expect christians to be here and answer you. How would you get your answer?

:bowdown2: Beautifully said, I feel for you Faith101, its terribly hard to prove your religion when you have MANY idiots proving otherwise. I went to school with plenty of muslims and some of them my closest friends, so I dont believe that they are bad people, but many are influenced by these extremist, so I say the peaceful muslims & christians of this world need to come together and pray and stand up to these atrocities so that the world can see that the muslims can in fact be peaceful. The longer you keep tight lipped the more hatred will be spread!

I am appalled at the signs the protesters are holding. Shame on them! Still I dont judge all muslims, in fact I think Faith101 is very peaceful, some of the slander that is put on the muslims here (I am guilty also), from her posts that I have read she has been nothing but pleasant in her replies. If only your brothers and sisters took the same approach Faith101.

 

[cestusdei]

I have been at the annual March for Life protests for years. Never have I seen such signs or violence. Right now I don’t see many Muslims decrying the violence. They have every right to protest, BUT non-violently. They are simply going to have to understand that freedom of speech is not negotiable. Also when they mistreat Christians, like in Egypt, they lose any sense of sympathy I might have for them.

 

[discipleofJesus]

brotherhrolf:

bjd2006pc:

If it were not for Muslim scholars then the western world would not have access to the writings of the Greeks. (They protected those writings).

Sorry, this is simply not true. The Byzantines being Greeks had the writings of the Greeks to pass to the Muslim world. It was the Muslim world that passed these to the West. In addition, the Irish monasteries had excellent libraries and succeeded in passing this knowledge back to the European mainland. It is inconceivable that the storehouse of Greek knowledge would not be maintained by the Byzantine Empire.

**Here are 2 helpful articles

“Hyping Islam 's role in the History of Science”
by Jonathan David Carson **
americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4685

**“The not-so-golden age of Islamic philosophy”
by Jonathan David Carson, Ph.D. **
americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4744

Here’s a helpful quote taken from
“Hyping Islam 's role in the History of Science” by Jonathan David Carson americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4685 (underline emphasis mine)

'The “Islamic scholars” who translated “ancient Greece’s natural philosophy” were a curious group of Muslims, since all or almost all of the translators from Greek to Arabic were Christians or Jews, as were the translators from Arabic to Latin. Consider the astonishing statement of Bernard Lewis in The Muslim Discovery of Europe:

We know of no Muslim scholar or man of letters before the eighteenth century who sought to learn a western language, still less of any attempt to produce grammars, dictionaries, or other language tools. Translations are few and far between. Those that are known are works chosen for practical purposes [philosophy being considered a practical discipline] and the translations are made by converts [who knew western languages before conversion] or non-Muslims.

According to Franz Rosenthal in The Classical Heritage in Islam,

“Almost all of the translators [from Greek into Syriac or Hebrew or from Greek, Syriac, or Hebrew into Arabic] were Christians.”

One possible exception is Masarjawaih, who may have been a Jew. Another is Thabit b. Qurrah (ca. 834-901 A.D.), a “heathen” Sabian from Harran.’

**Here’s a helpful quote taken from
“The not-so-golden age of Islamic philosophy” by Jonathan David Carson, Ph.D. **
americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4744
(underline emphasis mine)

'Access “for western scholars to the great classics of Greece and Rome by their translation into Arabic, from which they were rendered into European languages” almost always means access to a Latin translation of an Arabic translation of a Syriac translation of a Greek text. Sometimes it means access to a Latin translation of an Arabic translation of a Hebrew translation of a Greek text. It can even mean access to a Latin translation of a Hebrew translation of an Arabic translation of a Syriac translation of a Greek text. Only on rare occasions does it mean access to a Latin translation of an Arabic translation of a Greek text.

A contribution “of the medieval Muslim world to Chistendom” means the translation into Latin by a Christian or a Jew of an Arabic translation by a Christian or a Jew of a Syriac translation by a Christian or a Jew of a Greek text obtained by “the medieval Muslim world” when it conquered the parts of “Christendom” that contained the libraries and monasteries in which it was kept. It means, in other words, a third, fourth, or fifth-hand version of a stolen Greek text.’

 

[Lance]

Why do Muslims insult Christians by burning our Churches? People who do this are no better than animals.

 

[Wolseley]

alfredo123:

I think that Muslims are right to be offended by disrespect to the founder of their religion. I recall how Catholics were (or should have been) offended when there was an art show depicting Mary, the Mother of God, in a coarse and indecent manner. I think it shows also, how strongly Muslims hold to their beliefs, in contrast to some Westerners who from all indications really don’t beleive in anything except their own enjoyments and pleasures.

The big difference is, when Christians, Catholic or otherwise, are confronted with trash like Andres Serrano’s “art” consisting of a crucifix submerged in urine, or Chris Ofali’s “art” consisting of a protrait of the Mother of God festooned with elephant dung, or Terrance McNally’s “art” consisting of a play where a homosexual Christ engages in perverted sexual acts with Judas Iscariot, CHRISTIANS don’t go out and burn down buildings, torch cars, riot in the streets, carry signs demanding the death of the “artists”, shoot assault rifles off in the air, issue contracts for murder, vow eternal vengeance on the blasphemers, blow themselves up in subway stations, swear that they will destroy small Jewish countries on the eastern Mediterranean with nuclear weapons, and just generally act like a pack of uncivilized, unprincipled, bloodthirsty, self-centered, uncontrollable, barbaric ****heads.

MUSLIMS do.

When you see that type of activity going on, do you see any Christians involved? No.

Jews? No.

Hindus? Sikhs? Jains? Buddhists? Shintoists? Parsis? Wiccans? Satanists? No.

When you see that type of activity going on, it always Muslims. Always Muslims. Always Muslims. Always Muslims.

This is a fact that cannot be explained away, denied, covered up, or ignored. It’s right out there for the world to look at. Take a look at the terrorist record since Munich in 1972. Who blew up airplanes over Scotland? Who bombed embassies in Africa and luxury hotels in Indonesia? Who hijacked cruise ships, shot a crippled old man in a wheelchair and dumped his body overboard? Who was it that took over a school in Russia and murdered dozens of innocent children? Who kidnapped people at random and sawed their heads off in front of video cameras in the name of their “merciful, compassionate” god, while the victims pleaded for their lives? Who used hijacked airliners filled with hundreds of innocent people and flew them into buildings on September 11?

Who? Muslims did, that’s who. The “peaceful, tolerant” Muslims. With their book of “peaceful, tolerant” maxims about killing everybody that doesn’t submit to Islam. And I, for one, am getting real sick and tired of contantly watching these people scream and rant and rave about how their rights are being trampled on while they’re doing their darnedest to trample on everyone else’s.

Militant Islamofascism is like the elephant in the living room: everybody knows it’s there, but nobody wants to admit it, for fear of offending the little darlings. Well, maybe it’s time we all woke up and took a good hard look at the situation, because you can’t get the elephant out of the living room until you’re willing to admit that he’s there; and until we’re willing to step up and face the truth of the fact that 99% of all criminal terrorist acts are committed by members of a violent, anti-social religion that poses a threat to the peace and stability of the rest of the civilized world, the situation will do nothing except just get worse, with detrimental and quite possibly disastrous consequenses for everyone.

I am tired of all the politically-correct pussyfooting with these people. It’s time to call a spade a spade. If they hate us that much, then they need to back where they came from and stay there until they grow up and learn to act like human beings.

 

[Lance]

Wolseley, That was an excellent post. Until we stop worrying about offending Islam they will continue to push and shove their way of life into every nook and cranny of the world. If we don’t stand up to them soon it will require another world war to stop them and neither side needs that.

 

[mjdonnelly]

Lance:

Why do Muslims insult Christians by burning our Churches? People who do this are no better than animals.

So shoot them like the rabid animals that they act like, in defense of course.

 

[brotherhrolf]

Lance, you make a good point too. As long as the politically correct crowd is in control and western civilization is in denial we will have a Neville Chamberlain moment until we find the Islamic jihad bursting out of the middle east as Hitler’s panzers did during the blitzkrieg. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[Booklover]

## If something does not deserve respect, it should not be given it.

A religion which crucifies Christians and continues the ancient Christian sin of wishing death to Jews for being Jews, deserves no respect.

Great post, Michael!

“In the Secret of Mohammed’s Success” Ali Sina explains:

"Right and wrong, good and bad are not appraised based on their own merits. Right is what Muhammad said or did and and wrong is what he probihited. In other words, Muslims are not to judge Muhammad by norms of morality and common sense but rather the standards of morality and common sense are to be measured by Muhammad’s deeds and words.
"Ironically it is the brutality and the repressive nature of Islam, in conjunction with its absolute irrationality that has made this doctrine a successful religion and has allowed it to survive this long.

Islam cannot stand scrutiny. Muhammad knew perfectly that he is unable to answer the questions raised by his critics. Therefore he saw to it so no one dare question him ever.

Even in the West if someone pronounces something critical of Islam, Muslims protest en masse and murder the westerners in Dar al Islam, claming that their “sensibility has been hurt”. The idea is to intimidate you from criticizing their religion next time. They are fully aware that they can’t answer your criticism and that means the end of Islam."

faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina40612.htm

 

[GD1960]

Hello All
I’m new to this forum and fairly new to the internet in general.

I am a protestant Scot although by no means a devout one, over the past few years in particular I’ve seen a worrying increase in muslim extremism here in Britain and all over the world in general.

I am a great believer in the word “WHY” why do these people hate us so much that they would go the extreme of flying planes in to buildings, blowing up trains and buses, beheading innocent people for no other reason other than their nationality etc, and all apparently in the name of Islam

So I’ve found myself lately scouring the internet trying to learn why

I have read many quotes and stories from the Quoran which has left me with more questions than answers so perhaps someone on this forum can enlighten me.

First there is the story of the old woman who was split in 2 (apparently by tieing each of her legs to a camel and sending them off in opposite directions) by one of Muhammeds adherents I can’t imagine why something so brutelly cruel exists in a holy book unless there’s a moral to the story which I can’t find.

Secondly there’s the story of the 2 tribesman who murdered an old man and robbed him, apparently Muhammed had a hand and a foot cut off each of them and their eyes burn’t out with hot nails then left to die a long agonising death, surely this is not the actions of a man sent from god to enlighten his people.

I would be interested to hear from anyone (particularly a muslim) their interpretation of these stories and what they mean to a muslim (other than dont get on the wrong side of Muhammed).

Apparently Jesus warned us about false prophets and when asked how we would know them he akinned false prophets to fruit trees and said good trees will bear good fruit while bad trees will bear bad fruit therefor you will know them by their fruit, are these extremists, suicide bombers, beheaders etc the fruit Jesus was referring to?

 

[inJESUS]

Hello All
I’m new to this forum and fairly new to the internet in general.

welcome

I am a protestant Scot although by no means a devout one, over the past few years in particular I’ve seen a worrying increase in muslim extremism here in Britain and all over the world in general.

the king of the world working .

I am a great believer in the word “WHY” why do these people hate us so much that they would go the extreme of flying planes in to buildings, blowing up trains and buses, beheading innocent people for no other reason other than their nationality etc, and all apparently in the name of Islam

because the quran tells them we are disbelievers who will burn in hell…and it does not ask them to love…so what can one expect from a deity like allah and his followers?

Apparently Jesus warned us about false prophets and when asked how we would know them he akinned false prophets to fruit trees and said good trees will bear good fruit while bad trees will bear bad fruit therefor you will know them by their fruit,

are these extremists, suicide bombers, beheaders etc the fruit Jesus was referring to?

mohammad’s fruit as well is what Jesus was refering to…any bad fruit that does not stem from Jesus’ teachings…any prophet who does not give the true image of Jesus and his teachings is a false prophet, an anti-christ.

 

[simkiss]

**Here’s how you know…

**If every action, question, thought, prayer, and belief is perfect through the eyes of LOVE, then you know it is of GOD.

If any faith would demand of you something which cannot be done through the eyes and heart in LOVE, or if your heart and mind don’t agree on what LOVE is at that moment, then either that portion of that faith is false, that whole faith is false, or that ideology is false.

GOD is LOVE WITHOUT exception FOR ALL mankind. Wherever LOVE and GOD do not go together 100% of the time in your heart and mind, there is a something wrong–something missing.

Whatever is not LOVE is not of GOD, by GOD, or for GOD.

It is that simple. It’s the only test you need.

L O V E

…whenever you’re not sure, ask yourself, “Is what I think LOVE?” “Is what I believe LOVE?” “Is what I’m about to do LOVE?”

GOD is LOVE. In this you will find the TRUTH.

**need some inspiration?.. **www.simkiss.net/sacredheart/

 

[inJESUS]

I havent read the Old Testament in its entirety…but i know it makes claims about the Prophets commiting major sins. This, we reject…among other things.

why? are prophets sinless ? are they angels?

We believe Jesus was a prophet, sent to the children of Israel only…not to us. He, too, taught that God is one and that we should worship that one God.

the quran says Jesus is for mankind not to Israel…so you should follow his teachings…mohammad of course did not dare put his teachings in quran.

Thats the thing. Mohamed did not teach anything radically different. It was the same message, brought back to its pure form. Your Lord is One, worship Him.

mohammads teachings are Jesus’ opposite. Face it. No to polygamy, no to killing, no to sex with slaves, no to virgins in heaven, no to temporary marriage, no to eye for eye and the list goes on.

As for the rest of your points…all i understood was that you believe that you have no need to learn or respect any other belief aside from your own…that leaves me with one question…what are you doing in the non-catholic part of the forum?

exactly the same thing you are doing on a Catholic site…debates, arguments, clarifications ecc

 

[inJESUS]

I dont care that you believe that Mohamed was not a prophet. But to insult him? Arent you supposed to love even your enemies.

what insults are you talking about? calling him a false prophet? thats truth, according to the Bible.

I’ve realized this much from being on this forum…that some Christians talk about love a lot…but thats where it stays…in their mouth.

we love muslims, not islam…we cannot love or respect heresies.

 

[inJESUS]

Faith101:

Peace MrS

THe fact that you are Christian means that you have assigned divinity to Jesus…that makes you a disbeliever. Thats really all it takes from the persepctive of Islam. You, as a Christian, can not be killed simply because you believe in something false.

If that were the case, then how are Muslim men allowed to marry and start families with Christian and Jewish women?

to convert them if not, they’ll go to hell according to quran and hadith…why isnt a muslima allowed to marry a Christian?

 

[inJESUS]

Faith101:
Its different to you because you want to see it as different. But in reality, a sterile parent does not have the “cells” required to have a baby. To you, its this huge big deal. To Muslims, God is great, and He can do everything and anything. Just because a boy is born from a virgin doesnt make him God.

You are gong to disagree and then we will go back and forth…so lets agree to disagree.
Jesus is not God coz he was born from a virgin…but what is the wisdom of this miraculous birth? and why is Jesus the only sinless? not even mohammad was sinless according to quran, why Jesus? does God do something for no reason?

 

[inJESUS]

Faith101:

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If christians were forbidden from commiting fornication, why then do Americans (majority of them being Christian) commit fornication with no shame? .

why is it that muslims have the same mindset? how many times should one repeat that Americans are not all Christians and that a Christian is know by his fruit?