Why is democracy special

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Is it really true that democracy is so special? After all, who is to say that the masses are usually better morally than a small group or king? Ecclesiastes says that a nation is blessed if the prince is of royal descent instead of the son of a servant. Sounds very un-American. I think American conservatives get too caught up in the idea that our culture is so amazing…
 
Is it really true that democracy is so special? After all, who is to say that the masses are usually better morally than a small group or king? Ecclesiastes says that a nation is blessed if the prince is of royal descent instead of the son of a servant. Sounds very un-American. I think American conservatives get too caught up in the idea that our culture is so amazing…
Winston Churchill said, ‘democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.’

In a nutshell democracy is a means by which to take collective decisions - and probably the fairest way to take collective decisions despite its flaws. It is suited to contemporary society because today there are many peoples and competing ideologies in the nation state. Democratic government can avoid the ‘tyranny of the majority,’ but it does always do so depending on how it is implemented.

In a discussion a friend and I concurred that if you had a good dictator you may well be better off. Unfortunately most dictators were not that reasonable.

Monarchy is nonsense because of the problem of succession. Just because on ruler is a good king or queen is does not follow their daughter or son will also be a good monarch. The Old Testament highlights this very well.
 
Ecclesiastes 10 disagrees with you on monarchy. The tyranny of the majority can be always present because the majority always wins. Any system can work
 
Ecclesiastes 10 disagrees with you on monarchy. The tyranny of the majority can be always present because the majority always wins. Any system can work
We do see examples of “tyranny of the majority” here in the States. What is special about Democracy is that it gives everyone an equal say, not that it achieves superior results.

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In a nutshell democracy is a means by which to take collective decisions - and probably the fairest way to take collective decisions despite its flaws. It is suited to contemporary society because today there are many peoples and competing ideologies in the nation state. Democratic government can avoid the ‘tyranny of the majority,’ but it does always do so depending on how it is implemented.
**I take issue with your conclusion. If the majority say murder is ok in a democracy murder is allowed. Its implementation is not important or relevant. Democracy is not founded on Truth in morality or principle. Our church is not a democracy- It is moral. Two very different concepts. **

In a discussion a friend and I concurred that if you had a good dictator you may well be better off. Unfortunately most dictators were not that reasonable.
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A Monarchy provides for his own heirs so has self perpetity at its’ heart.
Democracy is the seed of communism. The USA is a representative republic.
Collectsism is the economic arm of socialism.

Socialism, Communism and democracy are not Catholic in nature**.

Rerum Novarum lists errors that give rise to social ills, **excludes socialism as a remedy **and expounds with precision and in contemporary terms “the Catholic doctrine on work, the right to property, the principle of collaboration instead of class struggle as the fundamental means for social change, the rights of the weak, the dignity of the poor and the obligations of the rich, the perfecting of justice through charity, on the right to form professional associations”[144].

Monarchy is nonsense because of the problem of succession. Just because on ruler is a good king or queen is does not follow their daughter or son will also be a good monarch.
**However, the King acts to set up his heirs and therefore his motive is for succession. **
 
DEMOCRACY isn’t special; rather it has seeds of evil in it’s rawest form. You’ll have to define democracy to claim why it is special.

The Church values the democratic system** inasmuch** as it ensure the
participation of citizens in making political choices, guarantees to the
governed the possibility of electing and holding accountable those
who govern them, and of replacing them through peaceful means
when appropriate” (Pope John Paul II, On the 100th Anniversary of
Rerum Novarum, No. 46).

St. Thomas Aquinas teaches that “the kingdom [or monarchy] is the best form of government as long as it is not corrupt”

Refer to Au milieu des solicitudes and Diuturnum by Leo XIII for some history of Church views and democracy.
For a litany of quotes for consideration I offer you:

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. –John Adams (1814)

No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. –Mark Twain (1866)

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul. –George Bernard Shaw

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves [favors] out of the public treasury. –Alexander Tytler

Unrelated quote to Democracy:
It is unethical for any man to tax another man’s home to fund his social agenda. Friends don’t do that, your enemies will. - John Taft
 
It’s a nice idea. Just like Communism is (Not Russian Communism, and avoid all of Marx’s overthrow the capitalists. Who wouldn’t want to live in a society that has no poverty and everyone is an equal?). It’s people that make it terrible. That’s why there will never be a perfect form of government. (Until Christ returns, that is.)
I would respond to your thoughts on Communism, but that is not what this thread is about.
 
St. Thomas Aquinas teaches that “the kingdom [or monarchy] is the best form of government as long as it is not corrupt”
That is a big if.
Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. –John Adams (1814)
No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. –Mark Twain (1866)
A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul. –George Bernard Shaw
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves [favors] out of the public treasury. –Alexander Tytler
Unrelated quote to Democracy:
It is unethical for any man to tax another man’s home to fund his social agenda. Friends don’t do that, your enemies will. - John Taft
Good thing the US isn’t a democracy. The Founding Fathers didn’t want a democracy and specifically went about not setting one up.
 
That is a big if.

Good thing the US isn’t a democracy. The Founding Fathers didn’t want a democracy and specifically went about not setting one up.
You my friend get IT. 😃

Unlike others who
do the hokey pokey
and you turn yourself around
and believeThat what it’s all about.🤷
 
Pius XI said you can’t be a Christian and a socialist at the same time. The Wanderer famously has that quote on the front of their newsletter. So isn’t that implying that it is DOGMA that socialism is wrong? Huh?
 
Pius XI said you can’t be a Christian and a socialist at the same time. The Wanderer famously has that quote on the front of their newsletter. So isn’t that implying that it is DOGMA that socialism is wrong? Huh?
I believe we are talking about political systems, specifically democracy, in this thread. What does Socialism have to do with it?
 
I believe we are talking about political systems, specifically democracy, in this thread. What does Socialism have to do with it?
Democracy was not defined by the original poster. My guess is democracy has so many muddled definitions that we all may be discussing our own views- not common ones.

LETS HAVE A DEMOCRATIC VOTE to define democracy. In a democracy morality and truth are not required.

Socialism is tied to democracy so other forms are government are fair game. I believe democracy is the seed of communism. From the New Intellectual:

The essential characteristic of socialism is the denial of individual property rights; under socialism, the right to property (which is the right of use and disposal) is vested in “society as a whole,” i.e., in the collective, with production and distribution controlled by the state, i.e., by the government. (Facism)

Socialism may be established by force, as in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics—or by vote, as in Nazi (National Socialist) Germany. The degree of socialization may be total, as in Russia—or partial, as in England. Theoretically, the differences are superficial; practically, they are only a matter of time. The basic principle, in all cases, is the same.

The alleged goals of socialism were: the abolition of poverty, the achievement of general prosperity, progress, peace and human brotherhood. The results have been a terrifying failure—terrifying, that is, if one’s motive is men’s welfare.

The above listed goals are the tenets of the progressive movement.
 
Democracy was not defined by the original poster. My guess is democracy has so many muddled definitions that we all may be discussing our own views- not common ones.

LETS HAVE A DEMOCRATIC VOTE to define democracy. In a democracy morality and truth are not required.

Socialism is tied to democracy so other forms are government are fair game. I believe democracy is the seed of communism. From the New Intellectual:

The essential characteristic of socialism is the denial of individual property rights; under socialism, the right to property (which is the right of use and disposal) is vested in “society as a whole,” i.e., in the collective, with production and distribution controlled by the state, i.e., by the government. (Facism)

Socialism may be established by force, as in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics—or by vote, as in Nazi (National Socialist) Germany. The degree of socialization may be total, as in Russia—or partial, as in England. Theoretically, the differences are superficial; practically, they are only a matter of time. The basic principle, in all cases, is the same.

The alleged goals of socialism were: the abolition of poverty, the achievement of general prosperity, progress, peace and human brotherhood. The results have been a terrifying failure—terrifying, that is, if one’s motive is men’s welfare.

The above listed goals are the tenets of the progressive movement.
I don’t see how democracy is the seed of Socialism or Communism such those economic systems did not exist during the time that democracy was created, during Ancient Greece.
 
Is it really true that democracy is so special? After all, who is to say that the masses are usually better morally than a small group or king? Ecclesiastes says that a nation is blessed if the prince is of royal descent instead of the son of a servant. Sounds very un-American. I think American conservatives get too caught up in the idea that our culture is so amazing…
There is certainly nothing morally obligatory about democracy and I would go so far as to say those that think so (e.g., G.W.Bush-style neocons) are going against Church teaching by doing so.
 
The form of government matters little. Whether that government is popular with the people-now that’s a different question.
 
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